Still an ugly ass belt IMO. About as ugly as the NWA Women's belt
Yeah the women's belt is more like a chest plate. Its sad that it is bigger than any of the other world titlesI thought what I'd do was, I'd pretend to be one of those deaf-mutes
DKM1 Main Eventer
Posts: 3406 Registered: Aug 2008
Posted January 19th, 2013 01:52 PM IPAlmost everything I've heard about Raven isn't good. He must be close to 50 and I don't think would bring the right kind of attention.
Don't know much about Williams but from what I've seen on YouTube not bad.
Know nothing about Younger and Shelton, if he was a free agent would be the best.
ROH contracts are not "easy to break" but there purpose is to keep a wrestler from jumping ship while being part of a major story line. My understanding is they don't have a problem releasing those who ask once they get them to the right place in the storyline they are willing to let them go.DKM
they should matter. those contracts say my top priority isn't the nwa. it means that if there's a big nwa show anywhere in the country and there's an roh show the same night, guess where the roh contracted wrestler will be? not the nwa show.
But there isn't any "big" NWA Shows. And what real wrestler with any type of name value is going to put the NWA first above all else?
Any wrestler is going to put ROH first but if we constantly pick wrestlers that aren't good enough for ROH or TNA or WWE in fears that they'll be taken away the NWA will always be seen as shitty
Quote: DKM1 wrote:
Almost everything I've heard about Raven isn't good. He must be close to 50 and I don't think would bring the right kind of attention.
He toured Australia a couple of years back whilst he was still in TNA and worked 2 tag team matches and a singles match and despite being short matches from the two I saw he was over and managed to pop the crowd and still be entertaining.
I know in the last 3 years he's been getting older and lazier but if he has to he can still go. As I said in my post if the NWA BOD sat him down and said "You're our top guy do your best" Raven seems like a guy who would.
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But there isn't any "big" NWA Shows. And what real wrestler with any type of name value is going to put the NWA first above all else?
there are several, damian wayne, chane prophet and others who consider the nwa their home and currently make it a priority. but let's put that aside and put the belt on a wrestler who is under an roh contract. that means roh is their priority. that means no matter what the nwa will always be an after thought.
if we look at a normal month for roh wrestlers they are booked by roh usually two weekends a month. the main members of the roh work pwg once a month. a few also work chickara. that gives most roh wrestlers one weekend to devote to the nwa.
you don't want to put the belt on someone who can only work one weekend a month. it doesn't make sense.
Quote: Any wrestler is going to put ROH first but if we constantly pick wrestlers that aren't good enough for ROH or TNA or WWE in fears that they'll be taken away the NWA will always be seen as shitty.
jay cal originally stated in this thread to not use contracted wrestlers.
Quote: He toured Australia a couple of years back whilst he was still in TNA and worked 2 tag team matches and a singles match and despite being short matches from the two I saw he was over and managed to pop the crowd and still be entertaining.
I know in the last 3 years he's been getting older and lazier but if he has to he can still go. As I said in my post if the NWA BOD sat him down and said "You're our top guy do your best" Raven seems like a guy who would.
i think ten years ago raven would have been a great nwa champ. right now he is a shadow of his former self. the last time it looked like he cared was during his feud with punk back in 2003. it's true, i am better than you
polejump Main Eventer
Posts: 1016 Registered: Sep 2012
Posted January 20th, 2013 11:06 AM IPMy point is the guys who are loyal to the NWA are the guys not good enough for ROH
If ROH came knocking tomorrow and wanted to sign Damien Wayne and Chance Prophet to deals they'd take it in a flash I'm sure and who can blame them? For whatever reason though ROH does not want them so they are NWA guys by default
Quote: polejump wrote:
My point is the guys who are loyal to the NWA are the guys not good enough for ROH
If ROH came knocking tomorrow and wanted to sign Damien Wayne and Chance Prophet to deals they'd take it in a flash I'm sure and who can blame them? For whatever reason though ROH does not want them so they are NWA guys by default
then the nwa needs to build its promotion around another indy wrestler who isn't under contract to roh. there are a lot of great ones. tim donst, eddie kingston, dj hyde, ck kennedy the third among others. it's true, i am better than you
Shawn Veteran
Posts: 945 Registered: Aug 2008
Posted January 20th, 2013 02:30 PM IPKevin Douglas......
Quote: polejump wrote:
My point is the guys who are loyal to the NWA are the guys not good enough for ROH
I don't agree with this statement at all.
Quote: polejump wrote:
If ROH came knocking tomorrow and wanted to sign Damien Wayne and Chance Prophet to deals they'd take it in a flash I'm sure and who can blame them? For whatever reason though ROH does not want them so they are NWA guys by default
ROH, just like every promotion, can't have everyone. Would they take an ROH deal in a flash? Don't know, maybe, and if the money is right who would blame them. Of course ROH would probably have let some others go if that were the case. DKM
damien_wayne Blue-Chipper
Posts: 68 Registered: Jun 2011
Posted January 21st, 2013 08:16 AM IP"not good enough for ROH" I think I can speak for quite a few on this..... you got to be kidding me just laughable
He's already the King of the Indies,literally. He is the current Crossfire champion. Former Traditional Championship Wrestling Heavyweight champion. TCW is arguably the hottest indy and Crossfire always draw close to a thousand per show. Both promotions trust this man to lead the way. He also wrestle in NWA-SAW. Everywhere he goes he become an instant main eventer and champion. The guy has a great gimmick(and Lawler approves of him btw),charisma,a great talker, heat magnet, and can flat out wrestle but he does not goes over the top like Davey Richards or all these other work rate guys. King has shown he can work tv style matches in TCW and SAW and work longer matches. That is a very important trait.
The more I see this King the more I feel this King is interesting. Not to mention that being approved by Jerry Lawler means he's a big deal.
Yeah, I hope the NWA can keep an eye on him more.
Now, my list is :
Jeremy Wyatt.
"The Belt Collector". The nickname speaks for himself. Having gaining so many championship in the fed where he works, probably one of the hottest talent in the ancestral land of NWA (The Midwest), no stranger to NWA too where he's one of the few man who goth both the Central States and Missouri Champion besides Harley Race and Bob Orton Sr. (despite the fact that the prestige of the Titles are now on the different scale though), very good on skill and easily gaining heat from the crowd who hate him as a cocky heel and can work as Stone Cold type tweener too. He's still bad interview wise though. Pair him with a manager will solve this problem like the Girty Management day.
Vordell Walker.
Nuffsaid, ask Lawrence Zirconium about him and Dr. Lawrence will said he's MONEY.
And ask those who watch SAW about him. Need I said more???
Oh, one thing I love about him is that he also have some of legit background too just like Lou Thesz and Dan Severn. 2 of my favorite NWA Champion of all time.
Brandon Espinosa.
One of the hottest talent in the Midwest too. Decent on the mic, awesome skill, and he can work whether the Heavyweight division to Junior Division.
Ace Hawkins.
The Man who beat Nick Madrid during PWI Rookie of the Year 2011 back in the day and mind you, Nick Madrid is one of the AWESOME rookie I've ever seen and mind you too that if you can watch some of Ace's matches, you will understand why he win the ballot. He can be a nice addition into Junior Division. Seeing him against Chase Owens for the Junior Title will be awesome and in fact, I always want to see him challenging the Junior Champion since Kevin Douglas day.
Dan Severn.
Need I say more bout this one???
I WANT DAN SEVERN TITLE MATCH FOR ONE LAST TIME.
Terry Funk.
If the current World Champion challenging the former legendary World Champion from the past are a prestige and can bring back some prestige of the Belt itself, then Mr. Never Retired are one of reasonable challenge for the current Champion.
Ric Flair.
Okay, this one will be lame. But Ric Flair still a household name in Wrestling like it or not. And while he's lame on the ring but he's still GOT IT on the mic. Im sure seeing him challenging the current World Champion will creating buzz on the masses.
All in all, the reason for this one are more or less the same as Funk.
polejump Main Eventer
Posts: 1016 Registered: Sep 2012
Posted March 13th, 2013 08:42 PM IPSome notes about your selections Dody:
Jeremy Wyatt: Never heard of him but looking at his photos the dude looks like he'd make a good BOD Champion but not the World Champion. I would say this guy should be a National Title contender and build him up. He kind of has a dark look and with the correct build could be "The guy"
Vordell Walker: Has a bit of a name for himself but looking at the guy he isn't really that marketable. If he was on a poster advertising an upcoming show in your area and you had no idea who he was would he draw you into a show based on look?
Brandon Espinosa: According to his OVW page he's 190 pounds and only 5'10. Maybe a good choice for the World Junior Heavyweight Title but definitely shouldn't be near the World Heavyweight Title.
Ace Hawkins: Has a good look for a small guy but at 5'8 175 pounds he shouldn't be a top guy in the NWA. I agree with you that him and Chase Owens should wrestle for the World Junior Title.
Dan Severn: According to wikipedia he hasn't wrestled in many many years and is 54 years old. Even in his prime Severn wasn't a great World Champion so putting the belt on him way past his prime would make the NWA a laughing stock.
Terry Funk: Funk allegedly retired earlier this year but even if he was to come out of retirement for one final NWA World Title match you'd have to have him be squashed or you'd bury the World Champion. Funk is nearing 70 and you'd have to wonder what kind of World Champion could have a back and forth match with a 70 year old.
Ric Flair: I'd actually be FOR this as long as he challenged a World Champion who had been built up for a long time beforehand. For example someone like Kahagas would be a flop but if King Shane had been build up for like a year, took the title and had beat legend after legend and his next challenger was Flair I could see that selling tickets. The problem is Flair's expense.
Dody Main Eventer
Posts: 1333 Registered: Nov 2008
Posted March 14th, 2013 12:10 AM IPAnd of COURSE I won't forget these ones lol :
Who's on this board who don't know this Bald Man??? If there's one, then you need your head examined.
For the past 5 years, he has become synonymous with the National Wrestling Alliance and vice versa. He showed himself to be a good ambasador of NWA and recognized by many people. He proved himself to be loyal and respected the brand so much no matter how people say about it. Even some old schoolers who don't appreciated the current brand are still respect him so much. As a new fans who started from 2007, the face of NWA in my eyes are Damien Wayne, Chance Prophet, and no other than ADAM PEARCE.
Personally, Im ready for 6th reign sooner or latter. But World Champion or not, Adam Pearce is the NAME that ANY NWA Licensed Promoter SHOULD consider to bring him. He IS NWA and NWA IS him. Kudos to DAWG and Smoky Mountain who bring him and hope more NWA Promotions bringing him too.
Ryan Drago.
An Old School Gimmick Wrestler. Very fit with the mold of NWA. Back to the 50s BABY!!!!!
Trevor Murdock.
If someone bitch about name, then, my NAME is Trevor Murdock. He's a decent worker, have a name for himself from WWE, trained by former NWA Champion Harley Race and not to mention that he bears some physhical resemblance with the Handsome, and he actually no stranger to the NWA itself. At least when Dave Marquez and Ken Taylor still around.
polejump Main Eventer
Posts: 1016 Registered: Sep 2012
Posted March 14th, 2013 01:48 AM IPI don't think Pearce is a great choice, Good wrestler but has definitely been around to long as World Champion. I think it was a thousand days in 5 years that he had it just a bit much for the majority of fans today.
I agree that Murdock would be a great choice. Old school worker and probably cheap enough for most territories to book.
Shawn Veteran
Posts: 945 Registered: Aug 2008
Posted March 14th, 2013 03:24 AM IPKevin Douglas is a good choice, he is small but marketable and work with guys bigger than him all the time. Size is overrated sometimes, Jason Kincaid and Sigmon is both rank in the top 10 and they are technically Jr heavyweights. If you are a good wrestler, people would over look it.
I used to think Vordell was bland but that's not true. He is the prototype for clean cut babyface and is a damn good wrestler. You can sell that anywhere, especially to families.
Jay Cal Administrator
Posts: 4032 Registered: Apr 2008
Posted March 14th, 2013 07:17 AM IPMurdock channeling his inner Stan Hansen would make for great wrestling. I'd love to see Murdock in the title pictures.
TheRusty Veteran
Posts: 204 Registered: Apr 2012
Posted March 14th, 2013 08:04 AM IPAll the choices under 45 or so are really strong choices. I would hate to see the title given to someone in their 50's just because they are a "big name", but I wouldn't mind them being in the hunt for it.
Quote: TheRusty wrote:
All the choices under 45 or so are really strong choices. I would hate to see the title given to someone in their 50's just because they are a "big name", but I wouldn't mind them being in the hunt for it.
I think someone in their 50's would be okay but it'd have to be a huge name that could still go in the ring.
I think Ricky Morton would be a great choice as challenger and maybe even champion and he is in his mid 50's I believe.
The AWA Promotion that died out a couple years ago had Larry Zybsko as AWA World Heavyweight Champion for a majority of 2008 and he was a fine champion. At that point and time he was in his late 50's
I just wished the NWA can keep an eye on Luke Hawx. A recognizable Talent on the Indies especially the South, also very good both on the mic and in the ring.
polejump Main Eventer
Posts: 1016 Registered: Sep 2012
Posted March 28th, 2013 10:13 AM IPLuke should hold one of the BOD Titles. Preferably the World Jr or National Title. Incredibly talented guy who is being recognized by a lot of fans due to his work in Extreme Rising.
From the time when Im still watching ROH back in the HDNet Day, Kenny Omega is the most AWESOME Superstar I've ever see in ROH. I would be happy if the NWA can use him too.
Jay Cal Administrator
Posts: 4032 Registered: Apr 2008
Posted March 28th, 2013 01:20 PM IPKenny Omega works a lot of DDT in Japan... not sure he has the schedule to work NWA.
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Kenny Omega works a lot of DDT in Japan... not sure he has the schedule to work NWA.
Remember : There are no wrong answers on this thread.
On a side note, I really want to see Jerry Lynn held the NWA World Title. These man are apparently so many non-WWE World Title. Adding the NWA Title will be more adding prestige both for him and the NWA. Too bad he already retired.
polejump Main Eventer
Posts: 1016 Registered: Sep 2012
Posted April 25th, 2013 01:29 PM IPDody aren't you a strong believer that names don't draw?
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