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Hillbilly in Cali
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| I think all animals have some form of communication, so it would not be surprising if the big guy could talk with his peeps. If you look up the name Albert Ostman he tells a story about him being kidnapped by a bigfoot. He said he was taken to their camp and that the bigfoot family talked and gestured to each other. I also read somewhere that a Chinese Emperor had some monks live with yetis and they was able to figure their language out and ableto talk with them. |
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Stickwatcher
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| Posted: September 14th, 2009 02:45 AM |
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In my experience on my PA research site, the bfs use verbal communications primarily to help "escort" humans out of their territory, as in a recent encounter when my daughter and I stopped to talk for a few minutes as we left the forest at dusk. The "bird" who'd been following along just over my left shoulder about 50 ft off the trail, got very perturbed and let fly an angry sounding barrage of chirps and whistles until I glared back in his/her direction.
We are convinced that they have no real desire to communicate with us. Their attention is the result of idle curiosity and they do not seem to appreciate whoops, woodknocks, whistles, or other attempts to provoke responses or rouse their interest. They sure don't like it when we veer off trail and check out their stick structures, so I try to avoid doing that.
I am referring only to the beings on my site and I offer no generalizations applying to other sites or encounters. I have had an encounter in another part of the US, where the sasquatches did seem curious about my attempts to communicate with them by immitating their woodknocks.
Owing to the intelligence we sense in our encounters with them, we no longer refer to them as "animals."
On the subject of language, my belief, based on personal experience and from reading hundreds of sighting reports, is that they must have a nuanced language in order to convey to their young the knowledge of human behavior that they possess.
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IH 460
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| Stickwatcher, I do not have your hands on experience but what you state above makes perfect sense to me. I do think they are much more human than anything else, yet for some strange reason are extremely wary of human contact. This leads me to believe they act that way for a reason and that at some point in their history when they had more contact it was unfavorable. |
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Stickwatcher
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| Posted: September 20th, 2009 01:29 AM |
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| They've seen what we have done to the red man, wolves, buffaloes, carrier pigeons and other once plentiful species. The key to their survival is avoiding contact with humans. You know we're not to be trusted -- and they've seen us in action. |
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IH 460
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| Posted: September 22nd, 2009 12:39 PM |
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They've seen what we have done to the red man, wolves, buffaloes, carrier pigeons and other once plentiful species. The key to their survival is avoiding contact with humans. You know we're not to be trusted -- and they've seen us in action.
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Makes me wonder who really is more intelligent here, they or us? I mean the thought occurs to me that they could view humans as puny hairless, treacherous versions of themselves to be avoided at any cost! I cannot really disagree with that perception when viewed overall of our species. |
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Stickwatcher
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| Posted: September 23rd, 2009 01:46 AM |
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Their intelligence is channeled toward pure survival -- and that means avoiding contact with humans. They are adapted to their survival mode with large body size, but few tools, no fire, no permanent structures, just stick stackings that are ambiguous and hardly noticed by most humans. They have no peers in most areas of habitat, but show remarkable restraint in dealing with man. Their intelligence seems highly disciplined and adapted to their reality. They have studied our ways very well. They are totally in sync with their environment, not alienated from it. By these measures, they would have to be considered more intelligent than many humans.
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The Unclad Simian
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| Posted: September 23rd, 2009 10:58 AM |
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Well said Stickwatcher, intelligence is in the eye of the beholder. Most people would consider themselves smarter than bees or geese for instance but no human has figured out how to make honey or navigate hundreds of miles without star charts or a compass. I think we humans still possess many of the instinctual skills, and heightened sensory abilities of our relatives including Sasquatch but we let our cognitive process override signals received by our body and sense organs. As an example take the human nose, we (think) our nose only lets us know when something stinky is around (Has someone brought a wet dog that’s been rolling in garbage to our campout?) or dinner is ready (Are we having meatloaf again?) but biologists have found that even we physiologically challenged humans detect hormonal changes in those around us. This could be the cause of the creeped out feeling experienced by many Bigfoot witnesses as mentioned many times on this forum. My wife hates the way my nose is always right.
All peoples have always thought all other peoples to be both stupid and at a lower state of culture. This is both stupid and uncultured.
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Tom Thomas
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Scott Nelson was with us on the Missouri 09 expedition. His lecture was outstanding. He even hollered the words from those tapes on our night time scouting. He will be at the Oregon Sasquatch Symposium in June , in Eugene, Oregon along with Ron Moorhead. I'm looking forward to the symposium.
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| Posted: February 4th, 2010 06:19 PM |
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On Monster Quest last night they showed the recorded tone of a Sasquatch that was stirring up some coyotes to howl. It wasn't anywhere near as high of a pitch as the coyote.
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mark sharak
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| Posted: February 4th, 2010 08:50 PM |
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I was a skeptic until I heard a female try to talk to me from close range on the Olympic Penninsula. It tried to talk to my brother as well, but at a separate time. One of my minor degrees is in speech therapy. It was in no way attempting to mimick, or sound like English. There is absolutely no doubt that they posess some form of language skills. I would not have believed it if I hadn't heard it for myself.
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| Posted: February 5th, 2010 12:25 AM |
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I would of died from fright if that would of been me...
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TRUTH-SEEKER
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| Posted: February 5th, 2010 12:21 PM |
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Most definately language.. Mark are you maybe thinking about coming back for a visit with your new friend.? I will definately head back this summer. Might even stay where you stayed and see if maybe she will come say hello. I say she because I belive it was a female that was chatting to you.
"He who seeketh long enough and hard enough will find the truth, whatever that truth may be." Roger Patterson
“When you realize the value of a life, you dwell less on what is past and concentrate on the preservation of the future.” Diane Fossey 
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mark sharak
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| Posted: February 5th, 2010 12:53 PM |
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Truth-Seeker
It was without a doubt a female. There is no question in my, or my brothers, mind about that. Ladyliza, it wasn't as frightening as much as shocking, as she really caught me off guard. Perhaps that emotion would have been different if she had revealed herself from behind those pine trees. And to answer your question Truth-Seeker, I will see you and Mike L. in May for our expedition as planned.
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robday
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| Posted: February 5th, 2010 02:41 PM |
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Hi Mark-
Can I ask what it was that made you feel it was a female? (Maybe I missed something in an earlier post, and if so, sorry about that...)
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mark sharak
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| Posted: February 5th, 2010 02:51 PM |
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robday,
You can read the detailed report of this encounter in the past expedition section. The 2009 Olympic Penninsula expedition page 1.
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Roboron
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What Scott Nelson has stated to believe is that the sierra tapes have shown sentient communication. Not just barks,whines,and growls to communicate hunger,irritation,and seeking to mate.
But actual dialogue between 2 individuals . Scott does not claim to interpret what the words mean but does claim there are words. There are communication that is beyond basic instinctual needs. There is even laughter in response to what one said to another.
I will be always be grateful for Scott's contribution to the Mo.Exp 09 and looking forward to spending more time with him in the future.
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Scott Nelson was with us on the Missouri 09 expedition. His lecture was outstanding. He even hollered the words from those tapes on our night time scouting. He will be at the Oregon Sasquatch Symposium in June , in Eugene, Oregon along with Ron Moorhead. I'm looking forward to the symposium.
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| Posted: February 13th, 2010 03:26 PM |
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I think I read a report from california about one kicking a can late at night in a camp and then walking away whistleing a tune.
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| Posted: February 13th, 2010 06:06 PM |
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I was very fortunate in spending some time with Scott Nelson at the Missouri ozarks expedition last fall. Scott's credentials are very unique, in that very few people poses the skills and training that he has. I had the opportunity to hear first hand how he became interested in the recordings. I can tell you that having listened to a ground breaking lecture on the subject of sasquatch language that we have just begun to understand this. There were no claims made of translation. But to hear how Scott was able to slow down the recordings, and break them down into specific "language parts", was simply amazing. He was able to point out many things in the recordings that previously sounded like complete jiberish (aka, samuri chatter). I literaly listend to sasquatch conversations. And i can say that everyone in that room (including several people who have been involved in this research alot longer than i have) were blown away. I shouldn't speak for everyone, but that was the impression that i got. And yes, not only does it imply a level of inteligence, It confirms it. I for one am firmly convinced that sasquatch use a complex and detailed form of language.
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| Posted: February 13th, 2010 06:25 PM |
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Adam:
I've not yet heard the presentation from Scott Nelson, but I find this subject fascinating.
Your comments have reinforced information I've heard from other investigators, namely that sasquatches are a lot more intelligent than we previously thought. |
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bbwena
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Adam, Is there something here that we can read on Scott's report?
My mother's take...."Well don't let the government know, then they will have to start paying taxes."  |
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TRUTH-SEEKER
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To bad my dad wasn't still alive. He was a Cryptolinguist for the army. ( he listened to the enemy and figured out what they were saying.) I would of liked to let him hear the Sierra Sounds and see what he would of had to say about it. I sure miss you pop...!!!! You would of loved listening to these sounds.
"He who seeketh long enough and hard enough will find the truth, whatever that truth may be." Roger Patterson
“When you realize the value of a life, you dwell less on what is past and concentrate on the preservation of the future.” Diane Fossey
Expeditions Attended:
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bbwena
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| Posted: February 13th, 2010 11:15 PM |
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Oh cool. Thanks Rob!
My mother's take...."Well don't let the government know, then they will have to start paying taxes." |
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3Raven
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“I believe that the study of these tapes will never (and should never) end. With the recognition and acceptance that these creatures do indeed speak and understand a complex language, a greater effort will be made to collect voice recordings and our analysis of the language will improve. Now that we have a precedent and techniques established for this study, this process will certainly become easier.”
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The Sierra Sounds are very interesting, and I also do believe (imho) that the sounds are a language'.
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