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monongahela
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Well it looks like our long lived thread "Recent WV Activity" has finally filled up and expired. I tried to post a response and got a message that the thread had reached its maximum numbers of replies. So I thought I'd start this thread as a continuation of the old one, somewhere to keep the conversation alive.
In my most recent post on the old thread I shared a link to a "scream" I recorded out in the Monongahela National Forest last Saturday night. Since then I've been poking around on some bioacoustics web sites and came across a strong candidate for the source of that scream. What I recorded may be a "whistle-screech" uttered by a female Barred Owl. Here are two examples of the whistle-screech. The first is very close to what I heard, and the second is a good fit as well.
Take a listen and see if this sounds familiar:
http://home.centurytel.net/bobowlca...2050%20filt.wav
http://home.centurytel.net/bobowlca...8%2024%2005.wav
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RobfromWV
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| Posted: November 11th, 2009 10:51 AM |
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Thanks monongahela, I think this is an active group of researchers here trying to find good hard evidence in the field with people providing good and helpful suggestions.
BTW, You have some of the clearest recordings i've heard. It does sound like an owl I heard once. But great job |
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timsan
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| Posted: November 11th, 2009 11:25 AM |
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That's some super sleuthin'... very cool...
every ending is a new beginning |
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MtnMonkey
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| Posted: November 11th, 2009 12:20 PM |
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Thanks for the link
a friend of mine made a recording back sometime last year and we were unsure of the source now I know.
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monongahela
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| Posted: November 11th, 2009 04:49 PM |
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My pleasures. While one of my goals is to help isolate calls that are likely to be sasquatch generated, part of that effort also includes identifying animals that can commonly be mistaken for a squatch. This owl call would fall into that bucket.
Maybe I should create a collection of calls and call it "things that aren't a sasquatch".
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Barb Kaz
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| Posted: November 11th, 2009 10:32 PM |
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It's unfortunate that we have to discount anything that sounds like a known animal or bird. I know a few people who can sound EXACTLY like a coyote, barred owl, wolf, bird, etc. and I have no doubt that squatch can mimic these sounds as well, so we can never know for sure whether it's the actual animal or BF.
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monongahela
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| Posted: November 12th, 2009 07:15 PM |
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I sympathize with the sentiment, but I wouldn't necessarily call it unfortunate. I think its a good thing when I can find a natural source for a sound that might otherwise be mistaken for a BF. It helps narrow the field of what's a sasquatch original, versus what could be a sasquatch mimicry, and increases the credibility of the research effort going into the subject.
And the more we know about the sounds of the forest, including those of the "normal" animals, the less likely we are to waste time pursuing something that's not a BF at all, and the more likely we are to spot subtle differences that might help clue us in to a mimicking sasquatch.
That's just a long winded way of saying, "its all good".
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YYZ
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| Posted: November 12th, 2009 09:31 PM |
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| November is a good month in WV. Not too cold and usually no snow on the ground - at least at lower elevations. Also, the trees are bare so there are less hiding spaces. |
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Barb Kaz
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| Posted: November 12th, 2009 11:17 PM |
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Thanks for putting it into perspective for me monongahela, you're absolutely right, and research such as yours can help us determine what is mimicry and what is the "real deal". (BTW "it's all good" is my favorite phrase!)
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Leatherneck
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| Posted: November 13th, 2009 04:37 PM |
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A most excellent post!
I take it, you are not one to rest your pretty little head on your pink pillow at night, and say Sasquatch does not exist. It appears monongahela, you are out Squatchen.
Best of luck to you, and keep them coming please.
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PBYodeler
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| Posted: November 29th, 2009 04:47 PM |
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BossODaWoods
Please go to the "Read this first" section on the forum home page, read the posting guidelines, and post your introduction.
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John_P
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| Posted: December 1st, 2009 10:48 PM |
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The Barred Owl is fun if you know what it is. One year at Lake Sherwood one landed right over the tent at night while I went up to the facilities. My wife was jolted even though she knew what the crazed flying monkey sound was. The caretaker said a while back an out-of-town couple heard one the first night and left immediately scared out of their wits. We look forward to them now.
Has anyone ever determined what a whoop sound may be other than a BF? We had a whoop-er return my answering call in WV a couple summers ago.
Also, I finally made it to Pandapas Pond (see Giles Cnty VA rpt). It's near the WV line, ridge is high and dry with some deer, but creek valley seems more interesting. Valley and ridge goes west out to the New River Big Falls where a BF was possibly spotted last year. I might take the mountain bike there soon to cover the longer trails. |
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monongahela
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| Posted: December 7th, 2009 11:59 PM |
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In case y'all missed it, there's a new WV report. This time from way down in McDowell County, near Hatfield-McCoy territory:
http://www.bfro.net/GDB/show_report.asp?id=26354
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YYZ
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| Posted: December 8th, 2009 12:34 AM |
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| Pretty cool. I like how one was in an old garage. Creepy. |
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| Posted: December 8th, 2009 06:57 PM |
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Poor dogs scared to death and the horses too scared to come out of the barn to eat the next day.
Wow look at the guy inside that big ape suit jump clear across that 20ft creek and sprint up that steep hill so fast! |
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BethinFL
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| Posted: December 9th, 2009 09:51 AM |
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| That is a good report! |
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IH 460
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| Posted: December 9th, 2009 01:05 PM |
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| I agree this is a very interesting report and I was wondering if anyone is following it up with any expeditions or visits to that area? |
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Remedylane
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| Posted: December 9th, 2009 06:37 PM |
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Wow. Mcdowell is located pretty close to Logan county where I grew up.. There is tons of perfect terrain for Biggie in those areas.. We used to commonly hear BF moans, screeches and howls across the river when we used to catfish late at night..
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IH 460
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| Posted: December 10th, 2009 11:36 AM |
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Quote:
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Wow. Mcdowell is located pretty close to Logan county where I grew up.. There is tons of perfect terrain for Biggie in those areas.. We used to commonly hear BF moans, screeches and howls across the river when we used to catfish late at night..
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Were these sounds inhumanly loud? Also, did you ever look for tracks or other sign? If I lived in an area like this I would be out every chance I had to do so. |
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Remedylane
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| Posted: December 10th, 2009 11:56 AM |
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Were these sounds inhumanly loud? Also, did you ever look for tracks or other sign? If I lived in an area like this I would be out every chance I had to do so.
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Oh yes.. Definatly inhumanly loud.. There were other signs.. Eye shine, and deer would often run down the side of the mountain into the river and cross by us as if they were running from something.. I was just a boy at the time and I no longer live there.. Going to look for tracks etc, meant wading across the river.. My brother and I did go across a few times in the daytime but never really found anything.. He was over on that side more than I was since he was a teenager.. His friends had a delapidated camper over there that they used to party in.. It was hit with rocks more than once and he had his own sighting in another experience..
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Tretiak
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| Posted: December 10th, 2009 12:09 PM |
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Good report. However, can anyone explain the dead deer disappearing without any evidence of tracks or otherwise? It would seem a 800-1000 lb animal would leave some indication of it's presence?
"So close,....... yet so far!" |
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Barb Kaz
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| Posted: December 10th, 2009 12:21 PM |
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BF are very careful about leaving tracks, but I think the hunters in the report were more impressed with the fact that the deer seemed to have been picked up rather than dragged off. Maybe the ground was too hard or covered in forest litter for them to expect to see any tracks.
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IH 460
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| Posted: December 11th, 2009 05:32 PM |
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Quote:
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BF are very careful about leaving tracks, but I think the hunters in the report were more impressed with the fact that the deer seemed to have been picked up rather than dragged off. Maybe the ground was too hard or covered in forest litter for them to expect to see any tracks.
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True the average human cannot simply hoist an average size deer and carry it off. Most of us have to drag the carcass. However, an 8 foot primate with unbelievable strength would be able to do so and probably rather easily. |
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monongahela
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| Posted: December 13th, 2009 05:06 AM |
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Yesterday was last day of doe season in West Virginia, so things will start to wind down and the woods will be emptying out soon. Back roads at elevation already have a couple inches of ice on them after that heavy snow a week ago. Tried to visit a remote stand of virgin timber to look for snow tracks, but no dice, roads just too treacherous.
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| Posted: December 13th, 2009 04:57 PM |
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| Hey Mon. This week is muzzle loader week. Last week of caution! |
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monongahela
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| Posted: December 13th, 2009 10:21 PM |
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Good point LH. Long time ago muzzle loader didn't mean much in terms of people in the woods, but that's all changed now. Even bow season keeps lots more hunters in the field than it did when I was a kid. Good idea to be careful out there.
Weather has gotten cold a little early this year. Many times in the past I've been able to hike at high elevation in December. But not this year. Guess I'll have to focus my efforts lower, and hope for a January thaw to get back up high.
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| Posted: December 27th, 2009 07:15 PM |
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I sure hope none of you got caught out in the mountains with that over foot snow storm we got Dec. 18th night and Dec 19th.
I did little research but no luck unless you count some blame lost coon hound following me everywhere I went.. |
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lost hiker
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| Posted: December 27th, 2009 07:29 PM |
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| I think that there is little doubt that our furry friends must use caves and/or mines to get by some of the impassible weather here in the mountains. Obviously they move down in altitude or in warmer parts of the state. |
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RobfromWV
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I sure hope none of you got caught out in the mountains with that over foot snow storm we got Dec. 18th night and Dec 19th.
I did little research but no luck unless you count some blame lost coon hound following me everywhere I went..
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I know that me and my sons had talked about tring to get to our research area that weekend...fat chance, we barely got out of the driveway. This coming weekend will be our first winter research since fall. I'm hoping for some prints, but with the melting snow a deer print could look huge. Our focus though will still be on caves/strip mines cause I agree, they must use something like that during the winter months. We are also looking at lower elevations...we'll see |
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RobfromWV
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| Posted: December 29th, 2009 07:43 AM |
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Also,
LH:
I Just saw your comment on the caves and mines, thats my point too...I'm almost thinking the forests and not the mountains would be good researching for the winter, as in not being at a high elevation like the top of dolly sods, but valley area. Seems food would be easier for them to get at. With the lack of berries and critters, I wonder if fish in the river are the better nutrient resource. hmmmm |
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