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PBYodeler
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narrowfoot
You didn't read the update did you? Your questions are answered there.
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| Posted: January 11th, 2010 10:15 PM |
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From the update:
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BTW, there is definitely no other shot in the film showing the caribou herd emerging from the water on the other side of this river (?), nor any other shot that could be confused (by a reasonable person ...) as a cross-shot from the opposing position. The folks who claim that are truly imagining things. It's not there. |
I find this statement to be provably false. The opening establishing shots of the clip are from the same side of the river as our mystery figure. The herd gathers and approaches the river. That far side is where the caribou begin the crossing.
Then we get to our money shot. It's a reverse shot from across the water from where the previous shots were taken (maybe not exactly, but close). We see half of the herd pour into the river at that spot, but another half think better of it and keep moving down the bank.
It makes perfect sense there were herders trying to get the caribou to cross at exactly the right spot the camera was watching. I bet when the herd started to split right at 9:18, that's when our mystery figure tried to shoo them back into the water, failed, and returned to hiding.
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RCM944
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| Posted: January 11th, 2010 10:24 PM |
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Hey Gronti,
I agree with you completely. I saw the same thing the first time I watched it. |
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narrowfoot
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| Posted: January 11th, 2010 10:24 PM |
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Yes, PBY, I had just read the update, and my question was based on it. Perhaps I missed something. My impression is that the film makers think the figure in the video is a crew member on an ATV, directing the flow of the caribou. I wondered why he would have been in such a dangerous situation, given the general flow of the migration and the immediate switch to another scene. Also why that little segment would have been left in, so near the end of the scene. I'll go back and read the update again. What Gronti says does make some sense to me.
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| Posted: January 12th, 2010 12:19 AM |
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WOW, I'd have to say that after seeing the post on the website here.... that I was surprised to see camera people in camo and ghillie suits. Aparently they have reason to be camoflauged. If you consider a 4 wheeler into the equation and a guy in dark clothing..it sure would make more sense and account for the fluidity and speed of the movement. However, I have no idea why the heck they are out there in the middle of a stampede of caribou. Kinda risky.
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| Posted: January 12th, 2010 12:45 AM |
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| Watch this film in 1080p and you will have no doubt it is a guy running, pumping his arms,,, no way he is on any kind of vehicle. |
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Hall82321
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| Posted: January 12th, 2010 09:33 AM |
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I have no idea why the heck they are out there in the middle of a stampede of caribou. Kinda risky. |
To get the money shot, of course. Bones will heal –
I too am a little surprised they would leave the shot in, unless they just forgot or missed it. If PETA or some other animal group got wind that they were 'harassing' animals with an ATV to get a good water crossing shot it could have been devastating for the movie.
**I'm not intending to start an animal rights debate - just saying***
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| Posted: January 12th, 2010 10:32 AM |
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Great work on the part of the BFRO to get somebody from the crew to help out!
seeing is believing |
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KT
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| Posted: January 12th, 2010 11:22 AM |
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Watched it in high-res. My money is on a person riding an ATV - probably a quad - possibly wearing a backpack. Watch the right arm - it really looks like it is gripping a handlebar. The subject appears to be hunched over just like an ATV rider. At one stage when he leans forward the backpack or equipment bag behind him separates enough that you can tell it is a separate object. In my opinion, he doesn't crouch down out of sight at the end - he just turns downhill in the ravine and rides out of sight.
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RCM944
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| Posted: January 12th, 2010 08:37 PM |
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| Went to you tube a watched the video again and again. I ask you to try this, ignore the figure and focus on the reaction of the herd at the water. Something really jumped out at me, was the herd out of the water and been driven back into the water? Watch the very last few animals that go back in the water following the group that is already swimming they go in for just a little and then jump out and up the bank towards the figure as it go's behind the rise. My theroy is this for your comments. The herd crosses the river something makes them go back in or not get out. If it's bigfoot I would think at that point we would have seen this much sooner. If it's a crew member standing there keeping the herd in the water or on an ATV for the money shot I wonder if the filmakers are going to own up to that? |
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PBYodeler
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| Posted: January 12th, 2010 09:03 PM |
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RCM944,
If you read the update on the BFRO web site you'll get your answer there.
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RCM944
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| Posted: January 12th, 2010 09:20 PM |
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| Yes I've seen it. It kinda sounds like BFRO is seeking quite a bit of information to confirm what the filmakers answer is. Anyway just thought the herds reaction was kinda cool. Sorry to have wasted space on it. |
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PBYodeler
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| Posted: January 12th, 2010 09:36 PM |
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No need to be sorry. As soon as we get more news it will be posted on the web site. If no one here notices it before I do I'll make sure everyone knows about it.
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acawap
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| Posted: January 13th, 2010 02:15 AM |
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| How exactly does one human crew member direct a herd of thousands of 800 lb animals anyway? And better yet, who volunteers for that job? "Hey Jimmy, go stand over there and scare 900 tons of animals towards us..." |
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richard41
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| Posted: January 13th, 2010 10:33 AM |
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acawap wrote:
How exactly does one human crew member direct a herd of thousands of 800 lb animals anyway? And better yet, who volunteers for that job? "Hey Jimmy, go stand over there and scare 900 tons of animals towards us..."
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The Eastern Caribou is not a very big animal, Bulls will go at the most 300lbs and that is a big one. The Antlers and mane make them look bigger than they are. What is stange is the noise the hooves make even when on moss they click it's the tendons in the legs that make the clicking sound. Caribou are jumpy animals all it takes is to make one or two change direction the rest will Follow.
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| Posted: January 13th, 2010 11:27 AM |
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| Having read the comments on this thread, there's one thing I'd like to add. Caribou are rather small animals. A full grown bull may reach 400lbs and stand 3 1/2' to just under 4' at the shoulder. Most are much smaller than that. Having hunted migrating caribou, on the Caniapiscau river in northern Quebec ; I can tell you that there really is no danger in getting in front of these herds. They move in a deliberate fashion rather than a stampede. They just methodically stay on the move to get where they're going. It's not like you're in front of a spooked herd of bison, cattle, or people at a soccer game. It really is a fantastic sight to see, and be a part of. That being said, it's not hard to believe that there would be a person on the other side of the river in front of the crossing herds. It's a very interesting video and I'm eagerly awaiting what bfro heres back from the filmmakers. |
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BA
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| Posted: January 13th, 2010 11:34 AM |
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Sorry Richard, I didn't mean to repeat what you said. Your post didn't show up when I was responding. But you're right. They follow each other like sheep rather then spead out like a massive wall of bison.
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| Posted: January 13th, 2010 12:02 PM |
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I'm not satisfied its a crew member.. yet.
The subject is black. That would mean a crew member would have to be wearing all black, hood, full face ski mask.
If the subject were on a bike/4 wheeler, why do the arms sway from left to right vs up and down. (when you ride a bike your arms/legs act as shock absorbers).
IF it were a bike or 4 wheeler, you should be able to catch a glimpse of the rear fender or handle bars. If they are in the shot that would mean they are also black. The grips I understand, but the crossbar? Plus if it were wearing a helm, that would mean they possibly had a full face black visor? or perhaps again it would be a ski mask. If it wore a helm, then it should be smooth and round in appearance.
If the subject were in a ghillie suite, would it not be more dag'd or strewn out vs uniform looking? Beside that, isnt the idea behind the ghillie is to become part of the background? Why use a 'black' ghillie?
Just not sure..
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KT
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| Posted: January 13th, 2010 02:52 PM |
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On a 4-wheeled ATV, if the rider is holding onto the handlebar grips and the ATV is riding over uneven terrain, the arms will sway side to side.
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| Posted: January 13th, 2010 03:38 PM |
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| Kudos to MM for the dogged pursuit of the truth here, and for the critical thinking that has now led to an accurate interpretation. |
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| Posted: January 13th, 2010 03:44 PM |
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Simply incredible how much more detail is discernible in the Blu-Ray LED version... really makes me think you might indeed be able to make out facial features on the IMAX version, even though it does appear to be pretty clear it's a crew member herding the caribou.
A little disappointing, what an exciting find this would have been! The search continues I suppose |
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| Posted: January 13th, 2010 04:00 PM |
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Excellant! Now I'm convinced having seen a clear version including the backpack!
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narrowfoot
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| Posted: January 13th, 2010 05:36 PM |
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Thanks again to Wally Hersom, who always seems to have or find the right equipment!
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| Posted: January 13th, 2010 07:08 PM |
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| Its been fun, I always thought it was a primate just wish it was the Biggie type what great evidence that could have been. It was a very interesting find I can't believe that it took almost ten years for this to get our attention! Just think of all the other stuff that might be right under our noses and we don’t even realize it. This could have just as easily been a stealthy Sasquatch. |
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Roboron
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| Posted: January 13th, 2010 07:51 PM |
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You know in a way BFRO uncovered another hoax, not a squatch hoax this time but instead a supposed filming of a "natural" occurance. Not very natural when the animals are being herded by guys on ATV's.
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| Posted: January 13th, 2010 08:08 PM |
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I'm so sad. I sooooo wanted it to be a squatch  |
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richard41
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| Posted: January 13th, 2010 08:57 PM |
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Sorry Richard, I didn't mean to repeat what you said. Your post didn't show up when I was responding. But you're right. They follow each other like sheep rather then spead out like a massive wall of bison.
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No prob, I type with two fingers lol. I spent 3 Months in Labrador working that was 20 years ago though, I remember 3lbs of onions cost like $6.00!!! But you have to have onions with your Caribou Liver. |
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PBYodeler
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| Posted: January 14th, 2010 06:23 AM |
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BA,
Please visit the "READ THIS FIRST" section on the forum home page, read the posting guidelines, and post your introduction.
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| Posted: January 14th, 2010 07:52 AM |
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| I think the right approach was used by BFRO. I just felt personally, with all that open space, it just wasn't the right habitat for BF. Sometimes when it looks and smells like a duck...it's not. |
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