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proguide66
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I was out trapping in an area that has had acitivity the last few yrs. I was nailing my snares to the side of some BIG cedar trees in a huge swamp that is at the bottom of some big steep mountains and surrounded by high rock faces ect with big timber. It was freezing out and no wind or noise at all , kinda creepy actually. I 'thought' I heard a single knock up above me to the west....then got that same old prickly feeling on my neck. I just kept my eyes to the ground and carried on my buisiness ( quite remote and hell to get the sled turned around ) ....I was thinming maybe I was imagining it and kept on nailing one more snare to a tree using large fenceing staples and my axe as a hammer...then to the east maybe 150 yards I heard a VERY clear single knock followed by every hair on my body standing on end. I felt very uncofortable and steadily packed my things and walked out to my skiddoo , left.
Hate to admit it , but feeling like two of em are above me and on either side of me didnt feel too good....anyone hear 'single' knocks before??...i have had a few ' things' happen but never a 'single' knock.
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PBYodeler
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| Posted: January 28th, 2010 01:56 AM |
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Actually single knocks are most common and seem to be some sort of communication between two or more of them.
And before this thread gets side tracked, the subject here is the knocks and not what Proguide was doing when he heard them. Any posts off topic will be deleted without notice.
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monongahela
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| Posted: January 28th, 2010 05:26 AM |
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I heard a single knock last September. I had just pulled in to a remote and deserted campground in a large wilderness area. I opened my truck door (didn't close it) and walked a few paces from truck, when WHACK, a big knock from a couple hundred yards up the hill above me. It was somewhere in the deep pines that had been planted there back in the 1930s. I got my stick and knocked back once, but no answer, so I left after a few minutes of poking around. Plan to go back and backpack/camp that area this year.
I can understand your wariness. Knowing that you're outflanked by a couple of outsized gorillas, who are talking back and forth about you, would certainly give me pause.
It might be that the single knock is kind of an attention tone, or even an alert signal. Meant to inform other BF, but not necessarily catch the attention of the critter/person under observation.
Seems to me that ignoring the knocks was a good idea. It may have made them feel you were oblivious to their presence, and made them comfortable enough to keep knocking.
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Andy
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| Posted: January 28th, 2010 09:09 AM |
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I wonder whether proguide66's own knocking -- he was nailing/hammering stuff onto trees -- carried far enough to be heard by the Bigfoots and was then responded to?
Or whether one just knew he was there to begin with and was spreading the news?
I agree that ignoring the knocks was the best idea--think how often humans don't even really hear them! I don't think the bigfoots actually want us to hear them or know where they might be.
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Christopher Noel
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| Posted: January 28th, 2010 09:17 AM |
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When I was lucky enough, last May, to record a whole bunch of very distinct single knocks, I had left the area hours earlier, so the knocks don't seem related to my presence. My supposition is that *they* were hunting, and that these knocks were meant as check-ins with one another--notifications of exact whereabouts--in order to help them coordinate their movements. At one point, you can hear three single knocks from three different distances within just seven seconds. If you'd like, you can here my recording here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kM0f3y9BVw
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narrowfoot
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| Posted: January 28th, 2010 03:18 PM |
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Twice I have heard a sound that could have been a single knock. But there are houses in the area, and the sound could have been a wooden door slamming or someone throwing a board onto a pile of lumber. The first time, I had ventured close to a tree structure for the first time, and that knock was followed by a tree crashing to the ground when I took a photo, my first, half a mile away. The second time I heard what could have been a single knock, fireworks had just ended nearby. I did not know at the time that Bigfoot may be attracted to the sulfurous smoke from fireworks.
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Satch Seeker
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| Posted: January 28th, 2010 05:33 PM |
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A few weeks ago I went to one of my fave spots where I have, on two occassions ,heard strange screams. Very loud and like nothing I've heard before . Anyway, I arrived at the spot approx. 1 hr. before sun up. I waited in my truck until it was light enough to see, then , I left my vehicle to walk down the snow packed rd. I took about 10 steps and heard a loud and clear wood knock approx. 50 yds. to my left and about 5 to 10 sec. later I heard another approx. 100 yrds. to my right. Higher in pitch and very clear. I instantly had the feeling that I was spotted and these were warning knocks as I had my window down in truck for an hr. and heard nothing until I left the truck.
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toejam
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| Posted: January 28th, 2010 05:47 PM |
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| I have a knock sequence that I've been using consistently for over a year now. I also use single knocks and what have you but it's the sequential one where one day I got to my location, got out of my vehicle, and as I was walking around to the other side to get my gear, I heard the exact same sequence I use all the time. I just smiled. It was almost like I was being greeted. |
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acawap
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| Posted: January 28th, 2010 05:50 PM |
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Has anybody observed game reaction to knocks? specifically deer or elk... If they are hunting, maybe the knock is a way they found to communicate with one another that doesn't spook the prey, since their vocalizations surely would.
If that is the case, then a couple of interesting points come up.
1) they clearly seem to knock in the presence of humans. Do they view us as POTENTIAL prey? While they aren't known to attack, maybe like an army that spotted an enemy they are positioning themselves in case we step out of line.
2) if they have developed this type of communication to coordinate hunting efforts, it's pretty clearly a sign of very advanced intelligence. Other species coordinate hunting efforts (lions, wolves, and I even saw a show where marlin or swordfish worked together to down an entire herring ball), but to develop such a communication system and organize the troops... that's on another level.
Side note, christopher I really enjoyed that video. Great stuff! |
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Christopher Noel
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| Posted: January 28th, 2010 06:18 PM |
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I don't think there's any evidence that they see us as prey. I think their existence is geared, in large part, to avoiding detection by us, and these warning knocks are in service of that aim. Theirs is a strategic lifestyle.
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nelson
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| Posted: January 28th, 2010 08:19 PM |
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| I have on occasion had single knocks returned from my knocks. ??? It seems to me like a notice call to others. |
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PBYodeler
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| Posted: January 28th, 2010 08:45 PM |
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HamrFoot,
You've been her over a year now. You need to go to the "Read this first" section on the forum home page, read the posting guidelines and post an introduction before making any further comments.
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Leatherneck
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| Posted: January 28th, 2010 10:11 PM |
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It was dark, and I could only see by the fire light. Something, moved through the weeds in front of me as I was trying to spot firewood. I can't remember how long after that, as I went back to the fire post haste, there was a single knock.
It was very powerful, and my impression was something was going to get in a heap of trouble if they did not get back to whatever made the knock PDQ.
Funny in a way, but the knock was so powerful, I did not think to knock back. I was a bit scared.
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monongahela
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| Posted: January 28th, 2010 10:12 PM |
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I instantly had the feeling that I was spotted and these were warning knocks as I had my window down in truck for an hr. and heard nothing until I left the truck.
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SS, that's exactly what I thought of my own single knock experience. It was all cool while I sat in my truck, but as soon as I got out, I didn't make if 5 paces before the "warning" knock rang out from the hill above me.
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Bosco_08
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| Posted: January 28th, 2010 11:33 PM |
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Sometimes (in my experience). They may be distractions so as to draw your attention in one direction, so the foot you didn't know was there and get closer to get a better look at you.
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robday
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| Posted: January 29th, 2010 01:20 AM |
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| Interesting about the knocks happening as soon as you leave a vehicle. Maybe a single loud knock means, "take cover, they're on the move." |
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proguide66
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| Posted: January 30th, 2010 01:22 AM |
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I'm not soo sure these beings really have the need to 'warn' each other of our presence , I am sure they know we are near well before we are in hearing range.
I was as well on my snowmobile traveling along a valley bottom in - 12 with no wind.These conditions help sound travel much clearer.The valley bottom is pretty well choked with moose and the creek has late season coho carcass's in it and maybe even a few live stragglers.
I have a feeling they were maybe slightly ' messin' with me a bit or maybe even hoping for some return knocks from me for some entertainment??...will never know...but I have to go back in there tomarrow...maybe one day someone will unlock the 'tree knock mystery' and it will all make sense one day.I'm not real 'big' on being watched from above AGAIN while alone out there in the middle of nowhere...makes for a loooong journey out.
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monongahela
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| Posted: January 30th, 2010 01:30 AM |
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Well be sure to let us know how it goes. I would try letting off a few knocks while I was out there, just to see if they answer back.
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CharlesL
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| Posted: January 31st, 2010 10:37 PM |
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On a recent winter camping trip with a friend we experienced two distinct single knocks. They weren't in response to any knocking from us because we didn't do any. They ONLY happened at times when we got out of the tent. It was a very still and quiet night, so I'm sure we would have heard any other knocks that might have happened while we were IN the tent.
I don't know whether these knocks are intended to warn another squatch or to distract the human, but I do know they are done intentionally. They DO have some sort of purpose. We just don't yet know what it is. |
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Giantfoot
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| Posted: February 1st, 2010 06:05 PM |
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It can creep some people out hearing wood knocks knowing they're being watched by one or more bigfoot nearby but from what I've seen their intent is merely to make contact with another bf to observe the nearby person out of curiosity and entertainment with no hostility involved.
These creatures clearly show people when they're angry at them for being on their land by raging displays, rock throwing ect so I would not be concerned with knocking. I'd just consider it a fascinating event knowing a bf was nearby watching me and likely telling another bf nearby to come enjoy a look.
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monongahela
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| Posted: February 1st, 2010 06:19 PM |
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From CharlesL, Satch Seeker, and my experiences, I can infer at least one meaning on the single wood knock ... "I see them, they just stepped out of cover, watch out!". But I'm sure there are other meanings behind the single knock. Just like in human communications, I'll bet context has a lot to do with it.
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Christopher Noel
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| Posted: February 1st, 2010 06:28 PM |
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| Okay, here's a case from my (woodsy) neighborhood. A woman I know has, for years, been hearing a double-knock from the woods most of the time when she leaves her house, and the two knocks come just after her door slaps shut. Being the owner of a small community store, she leaves her house at between 5:10 and 5:20 every morning, and she is the first person in the neighborhood to do so. Thus...the sentry is apparently using her emergence from the house as a sign that the humans are starting to stir again, and that it's time to retreat. |
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toejam
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| Posted: February 1st, 2010 10:00 PM |
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| I just received my first winter wood knock since 08. I was researching a new area close to my usual location. I let them know I was there with my usual wood knock sequence that I have been using for over a year. I was photographing two new structures that I found in the new area when I got a single loud knock. It seemed to me that it was acknowledging me. It sounded pretty close maybe 50 to 100yds. I checked it out having to hop a fence onto private land. The area is thick with Spruce and Pine. I felt nervous while in there but attributed that to my own paranoia. I'm hoping that maybe they're hiding out on private land throughout the winter. This is my first winter experience and I'm very excited about checking the area out this weekend. To think it's only across the road from where I've been researching all this time. To date I've had several interactions with none that seemed aggressive. |
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NorthernUtahBF
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| Posted: February 2nd, 2010 12:34 AM |
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I have heard knocks backpacking in the Wind Rivers in Wyoming. Was the only person at Section Corner Lake for a few days and had small pebbles and pine cones thrown at me while i was sitting around the campfire. Heard the knocks in the morning just a few seconds after i woke up and got out of the tent. Seemed to me that they were signaling that i was awake.
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| Posted: February 2nd, 2010 04:33 AM |
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| Ive heard alot of the Tree knocks where iam at and I agree with everyone but would also like to add that during this last hunting season there was three of us hunting in three different areas all of using Atvs to go to our locations. Just after daylight we heard loud moaning holler coming from from a distance. After that there was wood knocking coming from all around us almost like they were marking our locations. They came from all three locations but not exactly the same time. One was few minutes earlier at one hunters spot, then knocks behind me from the spot of another hunter, which there was a instant reply close to me. We all had cell phones and was able to stay in contact while this was going on. I believe there was two animals after ive had time to think not three due to the movement i could hear after the first howls and knocks coming from the first hunters area. In other words it moved from his spot to mine and replied to the knocks from the second hunters area. I hope i didnt confuse anyone. Lol |
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monongahela
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| Posted: February 2nd, 2010 08:53 AM |
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Not confusing. But it leaves me with a funny image in my head. We, the amateur hunters show up in the woods, and the "real" hunters of the woods show up to supervise and make sure nothing bad happens. We think we're in charge, but they're actually managing us. I can see a squatch posted behind every tree stand now.
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Bill Boqs
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| Posted: February 2nd, 2010 11:21 AM |
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We think of knocks as a basic or very primal form of communication and, yet, their message may in fact be somewhat contextual. To my human ears (and brain) a knock can say: "I'm over here", "the humans are up and moving", "listen up!", "incoming!" or "all clear". The exact meaning may well depend on surrounding circumstances. Two or more knocks in rapid succession (somewhat rare in my experience) seem to convey a sense of urgency or agitation.
My most memorable knocking experience came two years ago on an expedition here in the upper midwest. We were a group of 20+ who were closing in ("pincer" style) on a large beaver pond surrounded by a dense cedar swamp. The area (a half "section" measuring hearly a mile from E to W) proved to be impenetrable; the going was slow, there was abundant above-the-knee muck and when we reached the water it was too deep and too cold to permit further progress. After the call went out to return to base camp, the people in my immediate area returned to their cars (parked in an adjacent clear-cut) and drove off. My adult son and I stayed for another hour just to listen (our car was parked on the roadway, just beyond the clear-cut). Hardly 20 minutes passed before we heard the first knock which was quickly anwered by numerous & repeated knocks from several other locations. The "conversation" was rapid, seemingly excited, and included any number of multiple knocks ("whap-whap"). It was all over in about 8 minutes (I looked at my watch when we heard the first knock); we stayed put on our log for another 20 minutes but heard nothing else. Putting an all-too-human interpretation on what we heard, I'm guessing the conversation went something like this: "Did you see that? Wow!", "WTF", "What do you think THAT was all about?!", "Whew, that was wa-a-a-y too close!", "Is everyone alright?", "I'm okay", "me too", "all clear!". To human ears a knock may sound like nothing more than a sharp wood-on-wood WHACK but, in context, it may well be capable of conveying a wide variety of essential information.
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| Do trees ever pop in the winter due to the cold? I'm just curious. In Michigan during the winter, I can remember the siding on our house popping or snapping. If you didn't know what it was, you would think something had just slapped the outside of the house. I'm just wondering if a winter "knock" is actually just a natural pop? Just asking. |
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| Posted: February 2nd, 2010 12:56 PM |
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Hey Beth,
Being from Michigan I spent a lot of time in the woods in the cold. I did hear cracks once in a while - usually on windy days. I have never heard a pop that sounded like a knock. Not a very scientific methodology but not a single instance in my book.
I know that I don't know which to me feels like an improvement over not knowing that I don't know - ya know? |
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Beth, I just got back from spending 4 nights at my cabin in the UP and Friday morning at sunrise, my thermometer read -14f. As I stood on my porch overlooking the river, there were 3 distinct wood knocks. It is my belief that these were the sounds of the wood in the Maples contracting due to the very cold temperatures. The air was very still. Each sound came from a different direction and were spread out over about 15 seconds. They sounded very similar to someone knocking 2 pieces of very dry hardwood together. The sounds carried a long way. I did not stay on the porch very long as it was too cold and I needed my coffee! MarkB
Mark: check your PMs
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