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darrinf68
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http://www.bfro.net/GDB/show_report.asp?id=27075
Great read. Clearly the wood knocking was meant to send a message: 1) go away and 2) stay away. The log tossed in his direction was likely for added emphasis.
Interesting that an experienced hunter had the guts to not only stay around after hearing something odd, but actually go investigate! Climbing through the brush in the direction of the knock? Wow.
What to make of the 'wallow' in the ground? Bedding area?
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narrowfoot
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| Posted: February 8th, 2010 12:08 PM |
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The wallow sounds more like a mud bath. I think the most interesting thing is that the hunter actually saw a sasquatch knocking on a tree with a log.
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| Posted: February 8th, 2010 12:36 PM |
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Very interesting read! and it verfies a few things that have been speculated upon, not just the woodknocks. I know it's been speculated that maybe BF use a wallow to not only cool off in the summertime, but to keep the black flies and mosquitoes away. Considering this BF was seen in August and covered in mud, near what looked like a "hand-made" wallow, I think that theory is correct.
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IH 460
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| What I also find interesting and which really gives IMO more credibilty to the somewhat skeptical (by many readers) Story of Zana - the Almasty or Russian BF creature is that Zana was reported to have loved to lie in a cool pool side by side with buffalos. She also liked to roam the surrounding hills at night. (From page 48 of "In The Footsteps of the Russian Snowman" by Dmitri Bayanov). |
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The Unclad Simian
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| Posted: February 8th, 2010 02:00 PM |
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We h. Sapiens love to lounge in the mud as well.
I have heard of people all over the world for thousands of years shelling out big bucks for the beautifying and healthful effects of Mud (usually a combination of volcanic ash, and naturally heated mineral water). In addition to keeping cool in summer and protection from biting insects, it has been known to relieve arthritis.
And.. It is not just beneficial for the hairless parts of our bodies, people along the Dead Sea treat their hair with it as well.
It is a great report which validates many assumed behaviors and opens the door to look for a whole new range of physical evidence. Makes me think of the phrase Don’t throw the baby out with the bath water How about Don’t throw the Sasquatch hair sample out with the Wallow Mud ?
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| Posted: February 8th, 2010 03:23 PM |
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I agree....this a great report. I also agree that upon reapproach that these mud pits would contain ample hair samples (mixed in the dired mud), and perhpas some nail marks or finger gouge points. Also the observation of the wood knocks being timed with his steps infers a higher level of behavior than I have heard of before. Though, would be dry at this time, the puddles of "black diarea" are of interest also. Hopefully something of these could be re-located again as well; as this would speak to diet and chemistry, and perhaps parasitic infestation of a particular nature: hence all leading to a specific diet. that could equate to a specifc geographical region
Again, an incredible report....thank you.
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| Posted: February 8th, 2010 04:39 PM |
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| It would be nice to view the picture that was taken by the hunting partner the following weekend of the wallow. This would be a great evidence resource. |
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mitchw
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| Posted: February 8th, 2010 05:03 PM |
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| One more inference would be that BF can dig ditches, so he can dig graves as well. Maybe this can be brought together with old reports of burial mounds and bones, to explain the absence of a body. |
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| Posted: February 8th, 2010 07:36 PM |
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I guess that last bit where the wood was thrown at him, was a way to say,"AND STAY OUT!"
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TexBFSCOUT
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| Posted: February 8th, 2010 07:42 PM |
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Darrin, clearly your astute hypothesis on squatch woodknockin behavior is keen.Where did you get your experience from to form such a knowledgeable based opinion concerning this incident?
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| Posted: February 8th, 2010 11:08 PM |
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I don't know if it's as clear as you think, who's to say it wasn't a warning for other Animals in the area, young Animals maybe, that served as a " heads up " that Humans were in the area & to be careful ??
The Log you would think was an act of aggression & a warning to the Humans for sure but i'm not so sure if Wood Knocking has the same meaning as tossing a Log.
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darrinf68
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| Posted: February 9th, 2010 12:46 AM |
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Darrin, clearly your astute hypothesis on squatch woodknockin behavior is keen.Where did you get your experience from to form such a knowledgeable based opinion concerning this incident?
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Hey Clay, sorry man. I was just offering an opinion, nothing more. Perhaps I should have re-phrased my post. My apologies. |
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TexBFSCOUT
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| Posted: February 9th, 2010 03:21 AM |
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Thanks for responding back; I understand. I used to do the same thing offering my opinion especially when I couldn't back it up. Heck, you might be doing this longer than I. I have learned alot in two years(compared to others, I have a long way to go) and I usually stick my foot in mouth; I have learned well they are exceptionally great rock throwers even in the pitch black(to us). Its amazing. Getting out and doing my own field research, really brings alot to the experience table; lots of hours literally day and night and you finally feel you're getting somewhere.
I saw the old me in that post you made and I knew I had to be careful how I responded; got my hands slapped a few times. Hope I didn't offend you. Let me know if you are doing any work.
Good squatchin
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NorthernUtahBF
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| Posted: February 9th, 2010 11:19 AM |
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It is amazing that he actually saw the BF hitting the tree and the description of how it was htting and swing was great. I would love to see that up close. I once saw a Bull Moose rubbing horns against a big tree, it was amazing watching it.
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| Posted: February 9th, 2010 02:23 PM |
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A perfect example of why we should all, always, have a camera with us. Great story.
If a picture is worth 1000 words,then a video is worth 10,000!! |
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narrowfoot
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| Posted: February 9th, 2010 02:31 PM |
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Yes, but he was hunting. Now he's squatching, no doubt with good equipment. I keep the strap of a small digital camera around my wrist whenever I'm out walking in the wooded area, and I keep the camera turned on. So far, no sasquatch has showed itself to me, but I'm constantly finding new things to photograph, some that I think may be sasquatch related, some just for their beauty. My family has to remind me to also stick a phone in my pocket when I go into isolated areas!
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Tsk. Tsk.
Do more than stick a phone in your pocket! Leave directions with somebody--and a time to expect you back--so they know when to send out the Search Party.
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I really liked this sighting report!
Not only do we get a visual description of a Bigfoot smacking a tree. . . we get that truly careful description of the wallow.
I don't think I've ever come across another "wallow sighting"--has anybody else?
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mitchw
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| Posted: February 9th, 2010 03:35 PM |
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| It has been suggested on another thread that the 'wood knocking' might also be the sound of hands clapping. Well, at least we now have support for the knocking. |
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narrowfoot
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| Posted: February 9th, 2010 03:37 PM |
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Andy, the area is not all that large, so I could be found. And I'm never out for too long. But it's good to have a way to call for help if it's needed. Anyone going far into the wilds alone for longer periods should certainly follow your instructions.
I agree that this is a remarkable story, and so are several of the other new ones. The investigators have been busy!
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| Posted: February 9th, 2010 05:59 PM |
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Very interesting. It seems the bf didn't want a physical confrontation but was very aggravated at the man trespassing on it's game rich land and wanted him to leave. Makes you wonder if some human food gave it the squirts like that or if they just get the squirts when they're really agitated. Looking forward to any future reports by the investigation in the summer.
I liked the comment that he didn't believe in bf and now has invested $600 in trail cams.
Wow look at the guy inside that big ape suit jump clear across that 20ft creek and sprint up that steep hill so fast! |
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dyzzi
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| Posted: February 10th, 2010 04:50 AM |
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One thing that struck me about the report is the fact that he stated the wallow was clear indicating nothing had used it for sometime. When he saw the second it had been used recently.
When he made the cow call the bf came in noisy, not on stealth mode.
I'm not sure, but to me this indicates he was expecting an elk to be near the clearing. I willing to bet he was protecting his wallow not wanting to have a elk messing it up. Once the guy hit the final call the bf was able to pinpoint the hunter and then realized it was a human and not an elk.
The guy walked right into the bf's zone without being seen or heard. Kudo's to the guy and his reserve in finding out what was really happening at the time.
I know a lot of the time researchers go out and try to gain responses when in the field, this may show that still hunting bfs just may be as effective when utilized in a known active site.
Just a thought.
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| Posted: February 10th, 2010 06:39 AM |
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Great report ! With a spot like that, the guy should change his bow for a very good camera ! Alone he shouls go there, because to not afraid the BF!
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| Posted: February 10th, 2010 09:46 AM |
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dyzzi,
Nothing personal, but I'm not sure I agree with that approach. I seriously doubt a hunter, regardless of their skill level, was able to penetrate a squatch's territory un-noticed. If anything, I would expect the squatch knew he was there and the cow call was the trigger that drove it into action, with an intimidation display to drive the intruder out. Worried about an elk messing up the wallow? I'm just not convinced.
BTW, the witness to this report has just joined the board as userid uluax. Hopefully he'll stop by this thread and give us a chance to bounce our speculations off him.
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| Posted: February 10th, 2010 10:39 AM |
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Hi guys
John M here. Thanks for your interest. First off I'm still not certain that it was not an elk that came in too the cow call but my gut feeling is that it was the BF and somehow it didn't notice me enter his territory until then. Anyway I've got to get to work now but I'll check back tonight.
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| Posted: February 10th, 2010 11:40 AM |
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ululax,
A very detailed and excellent report. Thank you for reporting this. When you were glassing this animal while it knocked, were you able to tell if it was right or left handed? Also, did you notice any tree twists in the area? Thanks again and I really hope that you are able to get so good evidence from this area. MarkB
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IH 460
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ululax,
A very detailed and excellent report. Thank you for reporting this. When you were glassing this animal while it knocked, were you able to tell if it was right or left handed? Also, did you notice any tree twists in the area? Thanks again and I really hope that you are able to get so good evidence from this area. MarkB
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Why would you want to know if it was right or lefthanded and how could he tell anyway by watching it knock on a tree? What importance would this information be? |
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| Posted: February 10th, 2010 01:06 PM |
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uluax, I'm glad you're still among us to tell the tale! You wrote that the elbow was about 5 feet off the ground. Can you describe the appearance of the elbow as far as hair covering, skin color, or pointy/roundness? I ask because the recent photos from the Olympic Project has two images of unidentified body parts, and I wonder if an elbow is shown in one of those.
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| Has anyone considered the possibility that the wallow might have been used to bait an elk into the area? |
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MarkB
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IH,
As far as I know, right or left handed would be a human trait. I am not aware of any animals that have a right or left preference (cant think of the name I wanted to use here). This is the first report that I have read of someone seeing them use a piece of wood to knock. What if we get many more and they are all lefties or righties? It may tell us more about how their brains work. I dod not intend to offend you or anyone. MarkB
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The Unclad Simian
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| Posted: February 10th, 2010 04:22 PM |
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robday:
That is a very intriguing idea, building of the wallow to bait the Elk into the area. Construction of a trap implies all sorts of complex cognitive abilities, including putting one's self into the Elk' place. I think they are easily that smart.
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