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 Posted: March 3rd, 2011 09:45 PM  Edit Post Delete post Back to top

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If you have to explain to someone what you are seeing, then what do you really have? Nada!


Actually you have a documentary.

Every wildlife documentary I have ever seen has a narrator telling me what I am seeing, even if it is obvious the Crocodile is ambush hunting the drinking Zebra.
 
 
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Are the zebra, and crocodile being circled by a pen, like it's on John Madden's telestrator, because it is such a horrible shot that it is not even visible to the naked eye? Haven't seen that documentary yet, but it sounds pretty good, though!
 
 
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All of these groups, and alleged film makers make me laugh sometimes. For one thing, if you have anything with substance, backed by DNA, it wouldn't be some nickel, and dime production that is heading straight to the internet underground. If you actually had solid, bonafide video, coupled with DNA, you could walk straight in the door of Warners, Universal, etc, and you'd walk out knowing you would have the highest grossing movie/documentary of all time in the works! The discovery will be that big of a deal!
All I see is a hype video of some fast talking sociopath claiming he has the most mind-blowing techniques, and video ever... I work in marketing, and am well versed in the hype machine, so I know it when I see it. He's trying to sell anticipation. Nothing wrong with having a capitalist ideology toward BF research, though...A ton of researchers/organizations do! This vid won't amount to anything more than all of the other videos floating around on the FB-FB page. If you have to explain to someone what you are seeing, then what do you really have? Nada! I'll start buying videos when they have clips of Squatches showing their teeth from 50 feet away, and chasing down animals, because that is what it will take to have video proof!

You should perhaps read up on what the people here are talking about. Close up HD footage which has been seen by several BFRO members. Close up HD footage.
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The thought never occurred to me before- but I wonder if maybe their hyping this up and publicizing cause they are gonna do a "pay per view" money grab ?
Wildman or Camper's Boogieman? We'll see.....
 
 
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 Posted: March 4th, 2011 10:59 PM  Edit Post Delete post Back to top

Fair enough, Randy...I hate to take the naysayer side of things, but when you have something so groundbreaking, and so relevant to scientific discovery it tends to filter out to other media outlets, and scientists, and not just to a select few 'enthusiasts', who are not technically experts in anything relative to BF.

Seriously...If you, personally, had HD video clips that could prove existence of the most mythological beast EVER, would your marketing blitz target the smallest 'niche' audiences, and be tied to websites with fake paper mache BF faces? I'd sure hope not! Something of substance, that could stand up to scientific scrutiny, would be all over the mainstream media. All I'm saying is everyone should manage their expectations, and not believe everything you read, or hear because it is the status quo. Lip service does nothing for science...Sorry if that doesn't fit in the box of optimistic anticipation!
 
 
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Here is a brand new version of the trailer, with Bindernagel, John Green, Jeff Meldrum apparently lending their credibility to the project.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVtHfXfHsec
There are two possibilities, and two only. Either Sasquatch does not exist--in which case all of the thousands of sincere eye-witness accounts, as well as centuries of Native American wisdom, are false--or else it does exist, and if it does exist, it has survived alongside Homo sapiens only by being far more elusive than Homo sapiens can imagine.
 
 
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Close up HD footage which has been seen by several BFRO members. Close up HD footage.


Is that right Randy yeah, HD ??

I wasn't aware it was HD.
I have a feeling something BIG is gonna happen withn the world of the Big Guy soon.. Just a hunch of course..
 
 
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Is that right Randy yeah, HD ??

I wasn't aware it was HD.

Early on I heard it was HD but maybe someone can clarify and correct me if I am wrong?

Let's just say that the the footage has been described as, hmmm, the opposite of blobsquatches? The kind of footage that cannot be mistaken. I don't know how much the filmmakers want described publicly so I will just say that it is described as the kind of footage where you are CERTAIN of what you are seeing.
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 Posted: March 7th, 2011 06:31 PM  Edit Post Delete post Back to top

Thanks Mr. Noel, couldn't get the other links to work. Looks even better now!

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 Posted: March 7th, 2011 08:54 PM  Edit Post Delete post Back to top

When will it be released?
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When will it be released?


Your guess is as good as ours. They've been saying it will be released "later this year" for the past three years.
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When will it be released?
I'd say between tomorrow and 2016?
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I would like to say that from evidence that I have personally seen and experiences that I have personally had, Bigfoot is real.
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I would like to say that from evidence that I have personally seen and experiences that I have personally had, Bigfoot is real.


Please visit the *Read this First* section of the forum, read the posting guidelines and then post your introduction.

This thread is about the long awaited documentary owned by Adrian Erickson. We are all anxious and impatient.


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 Posted: March 10th, 2011 06:26 AM  Edit Post Delete post Back to top

Well, darn. That makes me suspicious if they've been holding off on it all this time. Do you all think it's the real thing if he keeps putting off the release of it?
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Cathy,I don't believe he keeps putting it off. From the beginning it was suggested he would not release anything until he had something.. real proof.
The fact that he has now come out and publicly stated something, it's on it's way and we just have to have a bit more patience.
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More specifically, he referenced waiting until peer-review of the work.

Peer-reviewed scientific journals frequently leave researchers hanging for weeks and months about their pub dates, even after they have been notified that the paper has been accepted for publication (meaning that it passed peer review). I've known researchers who were given a tentative pub date, only to have it moved when the journal decided on a different combo of subject matter for that issue. The longest I've personally seen a scientist wait for publication after their paper was accepted was five months. For big-news papers, the journal may also hold it for strategic timing so the journal staff can prepare for a lot of attention, including organizing confidential science media interviews in advance of that issue's embargo - this is why you see major discoveries hit the major media at once when an embargo is lifted. And if the journal is involved in any conferences, they'll schedule certain papers to publish in conjunction with the conference.

And, once a paper has been accepted, you are held to strict silence about it until the embargo is lifted on the contents of the issue in which the paper appears. Even if the journal lets you in on its strategy for your paper's pub date, you're not allowed to discuss it. If you discuss it prematurely, you may be forever blacklisted from publishing in that journal again, or any journal if word gets around. Because of this, you don't see scientists, or the organizations they represent, violating an embargo. Likewise, the science media will not break a journal's embargo because they don't want to miss out on the heads-up and prep time for big discovery announcements in the future. The thought is that this silence protects the scientific integrity of the peer-review process, and thus, the research itself, as there is no information or "hype" until the moment the journal makes the research public.

All that said, the silence about when the documentary will be released doesn't concern me - it makes me hopeful that something is happening behind the scenes.

This is probably more than most folks want to know, but I thought it would provide some context.
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 Posted: March 12th, 2011 12:54 AM  Edit Post Delete post Back to top

Thanks, I feel better about it now. It will be exciting then whenever it does come out.
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 Posted: March 13th, 2011 04:19 PM  Edit Post Delete post Back to top

Thanks LouBob....you gave me a different perspective on this subject. I will keep an open mind and hope for the best!
 
 
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JRawk12, I couldn't POSSIBLY agree more with you. I'd LOVE, like all of us, to believe this is the real deal. It's obvious though, that it isn't. It would be in the news, and I'm not talking about Entertainment Tonight or those other seven PM tabloid shows like those hillbillys down in Georgia and that snake oil salesman we saw a few years ago. Credible proof, with DNA, wouldn't wait for the "right time". I'm disappointed as well, but there is NO way this has much credibility. Other than some "good footage" that is supposedly in the documentary, it's just the same old, same old. Disappointing, but a great marketing ploy, that kept a lot of people wondering for a while, I will say.
 
 
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You should perhaps read up on what the people here are talking about. Close up HD footage which has been seen by several BFRO members. Close up HD footage.
Again, Randy, fine. Let's see it then. Why the hold up if it's so compelling? It's not adding up, or making sense, you know?
 
 
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Again, Randy, fine. Let's see it then. Why the hold up if it's so compelling? It's not adding up, or making sense, you know?
Again, if you pay attention to what is being discussed, that team apparently is waiting for DNA evidence to be thoroughly researched and perhaps releasing a peer-reviewed paper on the subject. That is my belief but I don't really know. I haven't seen the images nor any DNA evidence nor do I have the ability to analyze it.

The idea is that when they present all their data they want to have all their i's dotted and t's crossed so that no one can refute their data in ANY way.

I'm sort of sick of defending footage that I have NO idea if it is any good or not--just going on what others say. There's really nothing to discuss until they release the doc. If they do.
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Okay. Thanks for the reply Randy. My thought is how long does it take to get DNA evidence authentisized? Not years, I'm sure. I'm NOT trying to be cynical, but in reality, how long has this been in the works, and why hasn't a University or credible news source picked up on this potentially groundbreaking story, unlike any we've seen in our lifetime? I think all of us who post here can relate to being criticized for our interest in this subject. We would love to see credible evidence, but months are one thing, years are, quite another. I empythize with you. I haven't seen the footage either. I'm just going by what my gut instincts are, and that's that we have more of the teaser type thing going on here. Not expecting you to have the answer, my friend, just giving my opinion. I'm not buying it, and the more time that goes by, the less anyone else will buy it will grow. Again, I'm not asking you or expecting you to "defend" anything you haven't seen. Just keep recent memory in mind, and there are a lot of hoaxters out there and people looking for a quick Internet buck. Peace.
 
 
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Okay. Thanks for the reply Randy. My thought is how long does it take to get DNA evidence authentisized? Not years, I'm sure. I'm NOT trying to be cynical, but in reality, how long has this been in the works, and why hasn't a University or credible news source picked up on this potentially groundbreaking story, unlike any we've seen in our lifetime? I think all of us who post here can relate to being criticized for our interest in this subject. We would love to see credible evidence, but months are one thing, years are, quite another. I empythize with you. I haven't seen the footage either. I'm just going by what my gut instincts are, and that's that we have more of the teaser type thing going on here. Not expecting you to have the answer, my friend, just giving my opinion. I'm not buying it, and the more time that goes by, the less anyone else will buy it will grow. Again, I'm not asking you or expecting you to "defend" anything you haven't seen. Just keep recent memory in mind, and there are a lot of hoaxters out there and people looking for a quick Internet buck. Peace.



Up until Adrian had released the trailer and went on an internet talk show with the DNA expert he had everything he had copyrighted and anyone involved in the project was, and still is, under an non disclosure agreement. Way back when this started out it actually did hit the media but that was because someone that was allowed to view the video betrayed the trust of the person that showed it to him and passed it along to a news station. After that every little bit of evidence has been under a strict lock down.

The best explanation that we can give is only to listen that radio show and hear what they had to say. It may not make much sense but since it's still under that copyright the only things we can discuss here are the statements that Adrian has made himself publicly.

THe link to the show is in the first post of this thread. It doesn't say anything about Adrian in the description but he does call in to the second half of the show with Melba Ketchum.

Just remember that this thread is about Adrian's documentary. The first half of that show is an interview with someone that we do not want even mentioned here on this forum because of some of his past conduct. The only bad part about this show is that we have to listen to the first half to get to what we want to listen to.
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I'm sort of sick of defending footage that I have NO idea if it is any good or not--just going on what others say. There's really nothing to discuss until they release the doc. If they do.


No one is asking you to defend it. If it bothers you that much then just don't post about it until he finally does release the documentary. He's causing his own problems by continuing to push back the release date so it's not worth the stress.
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There's four (4) separate things involved here, which you and everyone else needs to keep separate.

1) Adrian's overall documentary.
2) The squatch footage from Kentucky contained in the documentary.
3) The possible DNA samples that Melba Ketchum has.
4) The article she claims will be written about her findings.

The only thing we can be confident about is the footage from Kentucky, because so many people associated with the group have been to the location and have either seen those sasquatches themselves, or seen some or all of the KY footage.

As for the overall documentary, Adrian says it will include footage from other places than Kentucky, but apparently the other footage is rather unremarkable, perhaps a notch or two above questionable YouTube stuff. The core of the documentary is the KY footage.


Until there's a full dead specimen of a sasquatch, from which DNA can be taken in controlled, sterile circumstances, then it will be impossible to convince scientists that DNA, which appears to be human, proves that sasquatches exist and are related to humans.

You can mark my words, there will be no "big release" next Spring. Adrian may release his documentary, but don't count on an article in a scientific journal about Ketchum's DNA findings. Instead, you can expect lots of hype from Ketchum and Paulides, and then lots of excuses later on, and possibly some conspiracy talk to explain why they could not deliver, again.



The Navigator seems to have the best insight into the vid release, and suggested people keep the topics separate . ..... I know it seems people want to tie all the topics together , cause that would make the most sense for a "ground breaking " documentary........
But I also think its not all gonna come together - Smooth as Silk - like Adrian suggests. I suspect more and more its going to be a case of :

"If you wanna see the Squatches play.........then you gonna have to Pay. - If you don't want to Pay.......then you don't get to see the Squatches "

If it is truly Legit, he should make it free for EVERYBODY (e.g. news & media worldwide) and then - when everybody starts running to jump on the bandwagon, and he could collect residual money that way. But what I see now is a superficial marketing, that is "priming" squatch enthusiasts to be ready to break out the credit card when something is released.

I suspect Adrian and Ketchum probably read this thread occasionally , to see what the "buzz" is, ..... and it is either: -- 1. gonna make him mad , cause we already see through his release plans -OR- 2. make him LAUGH cause he knows that he really does have the scientific "BOMB" that will change us all
Wildman or Camper's Boogieman? We'll see.....
 
 
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It would be awesome if he had something, but let's be honest....They've put themselves in the position where they're going to over-promise, and under-deliver.
 
 
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Okay. Thanks for the reply Randy. My thought is how long does it take to get DNA evidence authentisized? Not years, I'm sure. I'm NOT trying to be cynical, but in reality, how long has this been in the works, and why hasn't a University or credible news source picked up on this potentially groundbreaking story, unlike any we've seen in our lifetime? I think all of us who post here can relate to being criticized for our interest in this subject. We would love to see credible evidence, but months are one thing, years are, quite another. I empythize with you. I haven't seen the footage either. I'm just going by what my gut instincts are, and that's that we have more of the teaser type thing going on here. Not expecting you to have the answer, my friend, just giving my opinion. I'm not buying it, and the more time that goes by, the less anyone else will buy it will grow. Again, I'm not asking you or expecting you to "defend" anything you haven't seen. Just keep recent memory in mind, and there are a lot of hoaxters out there and people looking for a quick Internet buck. Peace.

I hear you and agree.
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I think everybody has been setting the bar too high for this documentary- including me, including Adrian, everybody. I did a little more digging into the background of this project recently, and now believe that if we just look at the whole thing as a good documentary of someone trying to discover the existence of BF, we won’t be disappointed. My opinion is the release shouldn’t be described as - groundbreaking or “the one that’s gonna prove BF existence to science”, because we would be just setting the expectation level too high.

Without going into detail on what I've read, (i.e. because PBYodler put limits on what we can discuss here), I really don’t really see it as a “money grab” anymore . I also don’t expect him to release the footage as a ---Pay-Per-View-Peepshow- on the internet either. I think he is probably going to release a DVD that will be similar to “Legend meets Science”. I think a lot of mine and everyone’s cynicism for homemade BF documentaries and footage comes from the general buffoonery we all see on Youtube and such. A Classic example of this research buffoonery would be - the Georgia “bigfoot in the fridge” guys, riding around in their JEEP , with the Knight Rider theme song playing in the background. LOL.

They've already stated a lot of the delay has been because of trying to get DNA “proof” published. I am not a DNA expert, but several people have already said that a Squatch’s- DNA sample is just gonna come back as “Homo species sp.”. Since they have no definitive sample to compare it too, it is kind of like trying to match a crime scene fingerprint , to someone who has never been fingerprinted. Again, I am not a DNA expert, but I don’t think they have mapped the human genome ancestry well enough to place an unknown sample on to that tree with certainty.

I’m now just expecting this Erickson Project documentary to be (hopefully) akin to a well narrated and present day- “Legend meets Science”. Good to watch, lots to see and think about, ..………but just like “Legend meets Science” had a lot of good footage, interviews, it still won’t convince anybody who didn’t believe in the first place. Yet , if it is fairly priced, I'll be purchasing a copy. Since Adrian is rumored to be attending the Sasq Summit in BC this April 8th, maybe he’ll be offering up more info on his project then

Wildman or Camper's Boogieman? We'll see.....
 
 
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We will see. Around 60 days ago Ketchum and Paulides claimed (on Coast-to-Coast AM) the big release would happen in about 45 days. Also, over the past few years Adrian has said the documentary would be released toward the end of that year. They have tried to build up anticipation about a big release which they claim will impress everyone, but it has never materialized.

We will see.
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apparently it will be the end of 2011 now?
Usually I don't celebrate my own ignorance, but I am so glad I have never heard of this project until now.
After all the years waiting, this may be the biggest cinematic let down since "Phantom Menace".
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