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body_guard4
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Roboron
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Thats great!!!
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TexBFRO
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| Posted: March 24th, 2008 09:46 AM |
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Geezzzz it sounds if we didnt learn anything or even more it sounded like we have never had a sighting or we have never done anything productive.....
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cowboyman
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Maybe the reporter is straddling the fence.....It seems more on this may be forthcoming.... I am wondering we the paper is headed with it
" Some wonder if it is, others study how it is".
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Mercury
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| Posted: March 25th, 2008 08:36 PM |
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You guys are...
"Remember the Alamo"
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TexBFRO
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Tex....its not about being famous...plus I would rather keep a low profile than have everyone in town know what we have................what we have is the "dang best cook......in all of the BF world" everyone is trying to steal him for their expeditions.......
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Roboron
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| Posted: March 26th, 2008 07:11 PM |
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Who's That???
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cowboyman
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| Posted: March 26th, 2008 07:19 PM |
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10,000 comedians out of work,,,,And Robo's trying to be funny....LOL
" Some wonder if it is, others study how it is".
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cowboyman
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| Posted: March 26th, 2008 09:15 PM |
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BFscout,,, all you really needed to overcome that zapped feeling was more Jambalya.....That stuff was ambrosia, created from the hands of a culinary artist.
If it were a painting it would be a part of the Louve!!!!
" Some wonder if it is, others study how it is".
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Roboron
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| Posted: March 27th, 2008 10:22 AM |
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Well I don't know if it needs a part of LOUVE, it did help you to see the LOU.
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body_guard4
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Roboron
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| Posted: March 29th, 2008 02:22 PM |
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That was the best so far!!! no doubt about!!!
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Eric Squatcher
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| Posted: March 29th, 2008 02:53 PM |
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Wow! I just read the articles. That's Awesome 
(Edited by Eric Squatcher)
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PoconoSteve
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| Posted: April 5th, 2008 03:44 PM |
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Wow, how refreshing to see that a journalist is actually taking this topic seriously!
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body_guard4
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| Posted: April 5th, 2008 04:04 PM |
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Here is what the auther had to say after I emailed her about the first half.
"Did you get to look at the first article? If not, go to www.bonhamjournal.com and put Rozelle in the search block on the top right. That should pull up all my stuff, and I think the intro article is still on the web page. I'll be concluding the series this week . . . mostly on hi-tech tools for the search, probably. Any thoughts?
Fun, wasn't it? I'm sorry I didn't have a chance to really interview "M". I'd like to do the October trip to Oklahoma, but would probably have to pay for it. And I plan to spend all my vacation money on a trip with my twin sister for our 65th birthday.
Maybe I'll do a column on camping tips one of these days. Like take your jacket if it's cold . . . take the roll-up feather bed if your sleeping in the back of a station wagon . . . have a WalMart bag to wrap your cold feet in.
Thanks for telling me I was graceful going through the fence. You're my friends for life for that!
Rozelle" |
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Rachel L
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| Posted: April 5th, 2008 06:04 PM |
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Nice articles!
~R~
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wildwoman
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| Posted: April 5th, 2008 06:35 PM |
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I have a few questions. How many of you on this trip were "told" that you had activity? How many actually witnessed it? and of those that did how many of you are BFRO investigators?
Do not go where the path may lead, go instead where there is no path and leave a trail. Emerson |
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cowboyman
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I am not sure what you mean by that wildwoman.
" Some wonder if it is, others study how it is".
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Roboron
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| Posted: April 6th, 2008 09:06 AM |
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Any activity was witnessed by at least 2 and to the most 5 and it was witnessed by investigators and newbies alike, at the same time. If you are insinuating that some sorta farce was at hand, All I can say it was too COLD to get that creative. But that wouldn't ever happen anyway. Besides investigators are just volunteers like anyone else, they are there to explore and learn just like the rest of us..
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body_guard4
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| Posted: April 6th, 2008 09:31 AM |
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The experiences I had were not TOLD to me, but were cooberated. From the growl the very first night, to tracks and ending with what was interpeted as someone calling out to one of us. My daughter was with me, a skeptic at first, and she was there for each and every experience.
Furthermore, I dont look for confirmation from outside observers, but look to the continued exploration of everything we encountered. If nothing else, it was a great time spent with a broad range of individuals from different walks of life that both my daughter and I treasure. |
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TexBFRO
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Very well put Jerry........anyone has questions, they need to get into the field and discover on their own.............nothing I am implying just......most of the questions of observations were from the new comers to the expeditions.....
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Thndrwlkr
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Very well put Jerry........anyone has questions, they need to get into the field and discover on their own.............nothing I am implying just......most of the questions of observations were from the new comers to the expeditions.....
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You know, I see a LOT of skeptics in these threads, and it pleases me to no end to see each and every single one of them answered in the same way...that what is happening is for personal fulfillment and understanding instead of academic and/or published fame and glory. Each and every one of you who do this for yourselves still advances the field for all of us who believe, or want to believe. Pay no attention to the "show me" crowd...armchair quarterbacks are a dime a dozen. It takes real guts to get out of your chair and BE part of the game, and hopefully soon, I will be able to join your ranks on one of these expeditions (kind of dificult as I live in Guatemala now). Until then, each and every expedition report provides us with useful information and nuggets that we can use when we finally get off the bench. Keep it up.
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wildmanmarty
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Thndrwlkr, you might like to look into the Sisimite of Guatemala, if you haven't heard of it already. If it exists, I would guess it would be a bit more difficult to encounter than a BF, though.
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Thndrwlkr
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wildmanmarty, probably...we do head into the jungle to scope out howler monkeys every now and then, and they are hard enough to find. A lot like Mr. Foot, they usually find you. The juvies like to stalk close and scare the bejezuz out of the tourists. Amazing thing...I see a lot of similar behavior between some juvie howler monkeys and purported juvenile squatch behavior...only howlers aren't really that shy (I swear they get some kind of sick glee out of watching people wet themselves). As for the sisimite, well, they are usually reported in jaguar infested parts of the jungle in Peten and Belize, and since I REALLY don't want to have to tangle with or run from a p.o.'ed mama kitty (they are hyper aggressive if startled/hungry/sleepy/or-for-whatever-reason), I tend to avoid those trails.
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Roboron
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Thndrwalkr,first let me thank you for your service for our country and wish you and everyone out there a Happy Thanksgiving. You and people like you are one of the many things that I'm thankful for.
I've wrote this before but here it goes again.The main goals for these expeditions is not to prove to the world that these creatures exsist. We(Investigators) already know that they do. We research what they do,how to attract them, try to record the sounds they make, and if at all possible video or thermally record them. For the newbies,we try to educate,share our experiences,and create a opportunity to prove to themselves whether Squatches are or not real. But if you think that our sole goal is to cough up evidence for everyone in the world to believe, then yes, I guess you will be disappointed. Go on a expedition and odds are you will soon get the answer you are looking for.
About the Howler monkey's behavior being similar to squatches,I too have noticed it . There was a zoo not far where I lived growing up and the calls those monkeys made were very close to the calls that I've heard squatches make.
http://www.savefile.com/projects/808552650
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Thndrwlkr
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Ron, it really clicked for me when I saw the thermal recording that was made by one of the researchers. The bobbing and weaving while hiding behind the bush is practically identical to juvie howlers when they are in stalk-and-play mode. I had an incident where I saw almost identical behavior (albeit from about 30 meters, 45 degrees behind and right) in a sub-adult male howler who was stalking a group of 5 tourists near Tikal. He bobbed and weaved through dead fall and brush to within about 2 meters of the group without being seen, then exploded out jaw popping, howling (a real eerie ooooOOO! ooooOOO! short and choppy), and throwing sticks. The tourists dropped everything and lit out screaming down the trail, and the monkey jacked a bottle of water (curiosity I think, I was aware of him for about 4 minutes and in that time alone he had ample opportunity to see them drinking from bottles) and some fruit that one of them had in their pack before melting into the undergrowth.
That recording is indeed VERY close to a howler, though obviously much longer in time and taking longer to climb in pitch (longer vocal chords?). The big question is this...after hearing that response, did you get stalked? Because that would be EXACTLY like a howler. They are dead sneaky and plain eaten up with curiosity, and will NOT pass up a chance to check out the guides who call them in for the tourists (not formal guides, but what they call chicleros...the guys who go out and tap rubber trees for their latex...they know the jungles here better than most. Most of them can distinguish between calls as to what each implies...be it aggression or curiosity, or just plain "where are you" types of calls), although when they find you, they just MAY decide to take a leak on you or bury you in a barrage of fruit, especially the females and youngsters, both of which you will rarely find on the ground. Males and sub-adult males have no qualms about mixing it up on terra firma.
for the curious...two links...what a howler looks like (http://animals.nationalgeographic.c...wler-monkey.jpg) and a GOOD example of what an aggressive male sounds like at a relatively short distance (http://www.belizezoo.org/grc/zoo/sound/how5.wav). I apologize for getting off subject.
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(http://www.belizezoo.org/grc/zoo/sound/how5.wav). Wow that sounded VERY like the growls that we recorded from Okl.08! Troy,Jerry, you gotta hear this!
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You know, I see a LOT of skeptics in these threads, and it pleases me to no end to see each and every single one of them answered in the same way...that what is happening is for personal fulfillment and understanding instead of academic and/or published fame and glory. Each and every one of you who do this for yourselves still advances the field for all of us who believe, or want to believe. Pay no attention to the "show me" crowd...armchair quarterbacks are a dime a dozen. It takes real guts to get out of your chair and BE part of the game, and hopefully soon, I will be able to join your ranks on one of these expeditions (kind of dificult as I live in Guatemala now). Until then, each and every expedition report provides us with useful information and nuggets that we can use when we finally get off the bench. Keep it up.
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Hey thunder, I spent 3 months in guatemala back in 92 providing met support for the Army. I lived in Guat City, Jutiapa and San Jose. I flew up to Tikal with one of the chopper pilots and spent 2 nights at the little hotel back in the jungle by the pyramid complex. |
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Hey thunder, I spent 3 months in guatemala back in 92 providing met support for the Army. I lived in Guat City, Jutiapa and San Jose. I flew up to Tikal with one of the chopper pilots and spent 2 nights at the little hotel back in the jungle by the pyramid complex.
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Did you get to hear any jaguars or howlers? They are pretty thick in that zone.
For myself, I live just outside Guatemala City (San Lucas), but as we head up to Puerto Barrios every now and then, I like to detour into Peten and roam in the bush. Have been to the Tikal complex several times and there is where I have had most of my howler monkey experiences...even got whizzed on and pummeled with mangos there on one occasion.
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If you heard something like that, in that same tone, and Mr. Squatch IS similar in behavior to a howler, you were being warned off...his crib was somewhere nearby.
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