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nelson
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| I can hardly wait to hear what happened. PLEASE dont wait to long before you share. thanks |
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nelson: I'm sure someone will report as soon as they can. In the mean time, would you please visit the *READ THIS FIRST* section of the forum and post your introduction?
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| Did we get any thermal images of BF crawling across the road or eating a pasty? |
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wildmanmarty
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Eating a pasty? Beth, are you implying they bring strippers along on these expiditions?? 
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I actually looked up "pasty" Marty, because I had the same reaction. Apparently it can also refer to a pastry pie type of thing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornish_pasty
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AndrewP
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Hello,
I just got back and somewhat recuperated from the trip. I was in the field for the expedition from May 13 through 18.
I personally did not have nearly as many direct experiences this year, so I am going to keep this fairly short and allow those who did have encounters to tell their stories. That said, I'll give you the following tidbits:
- We heard knocks at various times, especially in the mornings.
- There was at least one possible, but distant howl.
- We found many, many arch and stick structures (most over 6 months old, though one was made within the past couple of weeks).
- One group of people, had something mess with their tents two nights in a row. They also had a brief sighting or two of "something" large around their camp. We placed the thermal recorder in their camp on the last night and I am not privy to what, if anything was obtained as I had to leave before it could be reviewed.
- On Friday, one teen had a dusk encounter with a six foot sasquatch from about 30 to 40 feet. The animal looked at him and then turned and walked away into the heavy brush. Others were paralelled and/or saw red eye shine in that area throughout the duration of the trip.
- On Saturday afternoon, while on a pushing maneuver, I was flanked and followed by something. I continually heard sounds from the deep brush 20 to 60 yards from me (the distance varied as I moved my position in relation to the 'wall' of thick brush). Only once did I get a glimse of something about 6 feet tall ducking behind a tree. I shot video during that entire walk, but have yet to review the footage to see if anything will turn up that my eyes missed when I was there.
That is about all. Don't look for any startling new viedos or photos soon from us. I know that we personally shot over 30 hours of footage in our camp alone, and others were shooting as well. It will likely take many weeks to months for us to get the time to go over all that we got.
I hope those who had experiences directly will come on and post what happened to them in their own words. It was a great trip, a bit cold but tolerable. I had a lot of fun and made some great friends in the process.
Andy
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Thank you so much for kicking off the reports! This is great.
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wildmanmarty
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Well, I guess that joke just died.
Andrew, thanks much for the report. Sounds very interesting. I may have to go on one of these trips sometime.
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AndrewP
First, I'd like to commend you on your very eloquent description of events from last year’s as well as this year’s expedition.
I live in the Midwest and am just fascinated that Sasquatch’s have been sighted in the area.
A flood of questions come to mind and I was wondering if you could answer a few of them?
First, with all the recent activity that you and others have been reporting, would you say the U.P. has become THE "hotbed" of observable Sasquatch activity?
Does this activity seem to be isolated in one small area? If you had to guess, how many creatures do you think are in this area? If I were to go up there, what are my chances of having an encounter of my own? Do they go near established campgrounds or is it better to camp out in the woods?
I haven't heard much in the way of distinguishable footprints. Did you spot any that you could make casts from? I'm trying to get an idea how big some of the creatures might be.
Besides the isolation of the area, what other aspects have you observed to be attractive for the Sasquatch to choose the U.P. as a home?
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| WHOO HOO!!! KEEP EM CUMIN FELLAS (oops sorry girls) I love reading the stuff from the new expeditions, Its just so cool that people are actually seeing BF here in MI. Where you any where close to last years exp.? |
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First, I'd like to commend you on your very eloquent description of events from last year’s as well as this year’s expedition. |
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No, not really. I personally know of at least two places in WI and MN that I would consider better, mostly because the animals in those areas aren't quite as shy as thouse I've encountered in the MI UP.
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I think they use several "areas" in the Target Area, depending on the time of the year and the food that is available.
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There were at least 2 this year and at least 4 last year. I won't guess as to the total number, as it would likely be wrong.
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You'd have to know where to go and how to act in order to get them interested enough to come and check you out. This isn't as easy as it seems. We don't find squatches; we put ourselves in their way and try to get them interested enough in us to come and find us. 
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We have reports of them coming to various campgrounds across the country, but encounters seem to be more likely away from places where people spend a lot of time. I personally think you will get more of a reaction from them by putting yourself in their habitat, rather than hoping that they will come into yours.
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We found depressions in the swamps that could have been footprints. The ground was not condusive to making good prints in most areas. Most of the area is covered in mosses and heavy detritus. The most you get is a rough outline that will quickly spring back. I saw a short trail (5 possible prints) of depressions in a line that were about 12 inches long each and about 3.5 feet from heel to heel. We found other larger depessions that were 18 inches long. However, I MUST state that none of these were very distinct and I wouldn't personally add them to any body of evidence.
We found one set of possible finger holes in soft dirt near an area that eyeshine had been seen near the ground the night before. Unfortunately, the rain had degraded them to the point that casting would have not yielded clear details.
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All sightings that I know of this year were of 6 foot juveniles. There weren't any signs of a whole family in the area like last year (at least that is my opinion from what I saw and the reports I heard).
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Same as for any animal, food and habitat. There are many sources of food up there: deer, rodents, frogs, lichen, cedar, grasses, berries, etc... There is good habitat: deep, thick swamps that people have difficulty getting into, running water, plenty of trees, and few people.
Hope that answers your questions.
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WHOO HOO!!! KEEP EM CUMIN FELLAS (oops sorry girls) I love reading the stuff from the new expeditions, Its just so cool that people are actually seeing BF here in MI. Where you any where close to last years exp.?
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Yes, we were at the same location as last year.
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Thanks for your responses Andy.
I know you don't want to say where you've been going for obvious reasons, but I was wondering how close the animals are to "populated" areas? You mention they are shy so I'm assuming they're deep in the woods and away from people, otherwise there would probably be more sightings by locals.
Interesting that you mention WI. I have a friend who has a summer home in Phillips. He lives on soo lake. I've heard of somewhat recent sightings in that area and I'm wondering how close he is from any of these sightings, if it's worth spending an evening in the nearby woods and how I would find out where to look. I'm new to this, but very intrigued.
Finally, do you expect to go back again later this year or next year?
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| AndrewP did you guys try leaving gifts(apples ect.) did anyone camp at the abandoned cabin again? when they messed with their tents what does that mean? this is all so cool ,it makes it so much more real when its some place you know(the U.P)for someone like me.Im so jealous.How much time did the senior BFRO spend showing people what to look for? thanks nelson |
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AndrewP
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Thanks for your responses Andy.
I know you don't want to say where you've been going for obvious reasons, but I was wondering how close the animals are to "populated" areas? You mention they are shy so I'm assuming they're deep in the woods and away from people, otherwise there would probably be more sightings by locals.
Interesting that you mention WI. I have a friend who has a summer home in Phillips. He lives on soo lake. I've heard of somewhat recent sightings in that area and I'm wondering how close he is from any of these sightings, if it's worth spending an evening in the nearby woods and how I would find out where to look. I'm new to this, but very intrigued.
Finally, do you expect to go back again later this year or next year?
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There are a few remote homes in the area. One of the witnesses that has helped us lives there.
I can't comment on the WI area since there is current and ongoing research taking place there. Sorry.
Yeah, I'll be going back privately later this summer, but only for a breif look see and nothing overnight. I will "just happen" to be in that area during a family vacation. 
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AndrewP
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AndrewP did you guys try leaving gifts(apples ect.) did anyone camp at the abandoned cabin again? when they messed with their tents what does that mean? this is all so cool ,it makes it so much more real when its some place you know(the U.P)for someone like me.Im so jealous.How much time did the senior BFRO spend showing people what to look for? thanks nelson
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Yep, we put out apples. None of mine were taken.
Nope, we didn't camp at the cabin as it is on private land and we only had rights to hike on it, not to camp this year. We only found old sign in that area anyway.
As for the tents, something lifted up the tarps they had over their tents. It then began crinkling the tarp fabric. In the morning, it had looked like the tarp was squeezed and crumpled up in a spot.
We spent several days scouting before the expedition, and then met with the new people when they arrived. We tried to pair groups of new people with investigators so that the investigators could show everyone what was found. I personally worked with 16 new people and several repeaters.
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| Andy thanks for taking the time to answer all the questions |
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Hi Folks,
I have a question and hope someone can answer it for me.
In reviewing the Mich. notes from 2007, one article mentioned that a psychologist had a Class B encounter while walking his dogs where the exhibition was held last year. Do you know if that encounter was ever posted? I checked the Class B reports and couldn't find anything.
A note about this years exhibition...last year BFRO was up in July. Perhaps you didn't have much contact this year because you came up earlier. My reasoning would be that the available food sources such as apples and other fruits aren't available at this time of the year. Though, the bigger rivers in the area have a lot of suckers in them at this time and they are easy to catch. Perhaps they are a source of food for them.
Hope to read more reports about the Michigan exhibition held this year. It is always interesting to read about the experiences that people have during the exhibitions. This is what makes this a great site and interesting reading.
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Not all reports are published publicly. In the cases where a location is sensitive or a witness requests that a report not be published, we honor those requests and keep the reports off of the public site.
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Hi,
Thanks for replying to my question. I have another question...did the BFRO meet with the public this year? We didn't see anything in the local newspaper or on tv indicating that they were meeting but we could have missed it. Last year they had several people come forward to discuss their encounters and it was quite interesting. Just curious....
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Thanks for replying to my question. I have another question...did the BFRO meet with the public this year? We didn't see anything in the local newspaper or on tv indicating that they were meeting but we could have missed it. Last year they had several people come forward to discuss their encounters and it was quite interesting. Just curious....
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Hi Andy,
With meeting so many people on the trip, I'm not sure if we had met.
I'm not quite sure which camp you were in but I know the one camp really had a lot of activity as far as hearing things. Our camp heard things but not as much as some other groups.
We placed bait around the area but none was taken.
Our group did find a lot structures around our camp site. I really enjoyed walking around trying to find them and take pictures. I felt a little uneasy Sunday when Rich and I came back to camp (we stayed Sunday night) I found a few structures close to our camp within view of our tent, and one close to our truck. Not sure if they were there previously or if they were placed there to let us know we were not alone. Next expedition I now know to examine the area surrounding camp.
Finding these made for a very uneasy night.
My least favorate part of the trip was the walk down the creepy road in the middle of the night. I was spooked very easy at night. I guess I kept thinking we were going to get attacked by a bear or something.
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Hi Andy,
With meeting so many people on the trip, I'm not sure if we had met.
I'm not quite sure which camp you were in but I know the one camp really had a lot of activity as far as hearing things. Our camp heard things but not as much as some other groups.
We placed bait around the area but none was taken.
Our group did find a lot structures around our camp site. I really enjoyed walking around trying to find them and take pictures. I felt a little uneasy Sunday when Rich and I came back to camp (we stayed Sunday night) I found a few structures close to our camp within view of our tent, and one close to our truck. Not sure if they were there previously or if they were placed there to let us know we were not alone. Next expedition I now know to examine the area surrounding camp.
Finding these made for a very uneasy night.
My least favorate part of the trip was the walk down the creepy road in the middle of the night. I was spooked very easy at night. I guess I kept thinking we were going to get attacked by a bear or something.
Maybe we'll formally meet on the next expedition.
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Hello,
We met breifly when I relayed the plans for Saturday to you in your vehicle. I was primarily working out of Shrew Camp.
Glad you enjoyed yourself.
Andy
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Pasties have nothing to do with strippers or "wardrobe failure". They're a kind of free-standing pot pie filled with a hash of beef and potatoes (or, sometimes, rutabagas). They were originally brought to the UP by the Cornishmen who worked the iron & copper mines. Because they can be eaten, literally, with one hand and because the filling is fully enclosed (and therefore protected from coal dust) they were considerd an ideal on-the-job meal for the miners. They're not exactly what I consider to be a taste sensation (kind of boring, actually) but they certainly do stick to your ribs -- and, over the past 100 years or so, they've become a quintessential Yooper menu item.
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| We used to pay big bucks to have pasties shipped from Calumet down here, but now, get this, we have two pasty shops within 100 miles of Tampa! Yea! I knew when I wrote that original post that only another Michigander would know what the heck I was talking about. When I mention pasty down here, all the guys I work with automatically go into naughty thought mode. Thanks for the explanation Bill so that the flatlanders will know what a pasty really is. |
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Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh! Gotcha! Now I know.
Just so you know, Richard and I were heading that way but were stopped by BG. Since we were already camped out at Lacrosse camp he thought we should just remain there for the exercise.
Yep, really enjoyed it and can't wait until I get to join up with you all again in the future.
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There are similar things from other cultures--in NYC, we have beef patties, or chicken patties--I think Jamaican in origin--they are just pastry pockets filled with stuff that you can eat with one hand.
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We used to pay big bucks to have pasties shipped from Calumet down here, but now, get this, we have two pasty shops within 100 miles of Tampa! Yea! I knew when I wrote that original post that only another Michigander would know what the heck I was talking about. When I mention pasty down here, all the guys I work with automatically go into naughty thought mode. Thanks for the explanation Bill so that the flatlanders will know what a pasty really is.
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Wild...Possibly BOTH?
Anywho....
Andy and Bill B. This next question is directed at you two.
I understand a reportee can be worried about his name being published or the county being published. But what good can a report be if it goes completely unpublished?
Not sure the harm if a report states no witness names and just lists the state the report was taken for. Atleast the other details are out there for people who are trying to research things themselves. Am I off base with my thinking??
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Having spent a good part of my life as a yooper, I can only say that pasties are all about the condiment...
Ketchup or gravy is traditional. I have become found of pasta sauce with sliced asiago cheese on top...
Speaking of reports: I wouldn't mind seeing anonymous reports, provided the investigator is satisfied with the credibility of the witness or witnesses. I want to do a little solo searching myself.
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