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CharlesL
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I returned from the BC Interior Expedition last night. The location was beautiful, the weather was (at times) really horrible, the people were great, and the sasquatches were there.
One was seen through a thermal imager while it was spying on our camp! I'll be writing up the report today, so please be patient.
The other memorable occurance on this trip was having lunch with John Green, the author of Sasquatch: The Apes Among Us. We spent about three hours chatting with that fascinating man. |
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| Posted: October 26th, 2009 04:49 PM |
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It'll be great to hear all. You just take your time. I know you'll be as thorough as possible. Kudos to all who attended and worked so hard to pull off another X. I'm still determined to get to Canada again. Heck, I might even apply for citizenship.  |
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| Posted: October 26th, 2009 05:39 PM |
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I'll put in a good word for you herbmaven.
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CharlesL
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| Posted: October 26th, 2009 07:14 PM |
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This report reflects my personal observations and experiences only. I hope other members of the expedition will contribute their experiences.
Expedition Details:
The official dates of this expedition were from Thursday, 22 October 2009, through Sunday, 25 October. The expedition took place in a part of British Columbia having a long history of sasquatch activity. The eleven people who attended the expedition were either BFRO investigators or attendees of previous expeditions. Because of several last minute cancellations, there were no “newbies” on this trip.
Arrival:
I arrived at the campground serving as our base camp at approximately 1600 hours on Wednesday, 21 October. When I arrived BFRO Investigators J----- and M--- were already present.
At the time of my arrival the weather was overcast with sporadic rain and a temperature of about 55F. I set up my camp near that of J----- and M--- and spent the evening visiting with the expedition members. The expedition organizer had asked that we refrain from doing any sasquatch attraction activities until all the other attendees arrived. As a result, we did no vocalizations or wood knocking on Wednesday night.
Activity on Thursday, 22 October:
About 0230 hours on Thursday morning I was awakened by the sound of some distant howls. I heard three howls in total. They sounded similar to wolf howls. I later learned there were a number of dogs at a logging camp on the other side of the lake. It is possible these howls were from those dogs.
At approximately 0530 I got out of my tent and began cooking some sausage and toasted bread at the picnic table next to my tent. It was still very dark at this time and I had to use my headlamp to see what I was doing. When everything was cooked I sat down in a chair near my tent, turned off my headlamp, and quietly ate in the dark.
At approximately 0600 I saw M--- walking from his campsite towards mine. It was still very dark and M--- was using a red headlamp as he walked. He walked to where I was sitting and we chatted for a couple minutes. It appeared we were the only people out of bed at that time. Later investigation subsequently confirmed this.
As we talked we both heard a loud “SNAP,” sounding like a thick branch breaking. The sound was to the north of my campsite, and seemed to be fairly close by. I don’t remember which of us said it, but one of us said something like, “Did you hear that?” It was so dark I hadn’t noticed M--- was carrying a thermal imager in his hand until I saw him raise it to his eye to scan the area where we heard the noise. Almost immediately he said, “There’s something over there… It’s a head… a human head… I can see a human-shaped head.”
I stood up and we both walked a couple steps towards the thing. At some point M--- took the thermal imager away from his eye to look where he was walking. When he looked through the imager again the head-shaped object was gone.
I suggested we move closer to get a better view. M--- handed me the thermal imager and quickly went back to his camp (located just a few yards from mine) to get a night vision scope. I waited approximately one minute for M--- to return, scanning the area with the thermal the whole time. When M--- reached my location we both began walking and scanning along the dirt roadway and into the trees and bushes beyond it. Our efforts were unproductive and we returned to my camp after about 20 minutes. By now, it was after 0630 and daylight was slowly appearing, but it was still too dark to do any effective investigation of the ground where the head-shaped object had been seen.
Not having seen the thermal image myself, I questioned M--- about it. He said it was human shaped. It did not have a protruding snout, nor did it have protruding ears. He did not see anything other than the head and maybe part of the neck.
At approximately 0830 M---, P---, and I searched the area where the object had been seen. We subsequently found several important clues. The first thing we discovered was that the ground where the object was seen was about six feet lower than the level of the roadway. This meant, when viewed from my campsite, anything standing where the object was seen would have been mostly hidden by the road embankment.
The second clue we found was a foot impression in the moss of the embankment. The creature that made the impression must have moved away very quickly and forcefully because its foot actually tore up and shoved backwards a large piece of the moss. I measured this impression and found that the toe-end of it was seven inches wide. As a comparison, I measured the toe of my boot and found it to be just over 4 inches wide.
The third clue we found was a heel impression. This was found about 15 feet from the first impression, going away from the roadway. The heel impression was four inches wide and about half an inch deep. I conducted a quick experiment to determine how much of a heel impression I could leave with my hiking boot. Placing all my weight on one foot, the footprint I produced was barely visible and the impression in the moss and duff quickly sprung back to its normal level. I could not make a lasting heel impression without vigorously stomping my foot into the ground.
The final clue we found in that area was a broken branch. The branch was located midway between the heel impression and the foot impression on the embankment. The branch itself was approximately one inch in diameter and was freshly broken in two. When one of us experimentally stepped on the branch it did not break.
I flagged these clues with surveyor’s tape and took some digital photos. Later, when it got dark again, M--- and I recreated the thermal image he had seen. Directed by M---, I positioned myself where he had seen the head shape and discovered that I was standing almost directly on top of the foot impression in the embankment. I later determined the foot impression was approximately 30 yards from M--- when he saw the thing.
At about 1030 hours M---, J-----, C----, and I went for a hike to explore the area around the campground. Several hundred yards east of our campsites is a steep hillside that is part of a small peninsula jutting out into the lake. As we climbed up this hill M--- found another foot impression which seemed to have been left when a foot slipped on the steep slope and tore away the moss. This impression clearly showed the presence of a big toe with several smaller toes, being a left foot. The width of the impression was seven inches, the same as the foot impression found at the site of the thermal viewing. Because of the steepness of the slope, only the front half of the foot left an impression. Its nearly vertical position was not conducive for casting, but it was photographed.
At 2030 hours a number of us left base camp to hike along the logging roads in the area. Several howls and whoops were tried but no responses were heard.
At 2110 hours we were standing at the intersection of two logging roads. Directly in front of us was a steep embankment approximately 100 feet in height. We were taking a short break from hiking and quietly listening to the night sounds when we heard a small rock come tumbling down the embankment towards us. A few moments later a couple more small rocks came down. Then, a landslide of gravel, rocks, and small boulders came down directly in front of us. As one might imagine, this was a surprising and somewhat shocking event. There was some speculation as to the cause of the landslide, as well as to the rather unbelievable coincidence of it occurring at the exact moment we were standing there. We examined the slope on the following day and found evidence of several small landslides having occurred during the night, most likely because of heavy rains which had occurred recently. I am confident the landslide we experienced was a natural event and was not related to our search for sasquatches.
After the landslide event we continued our night hike along the logging road. At approximately 2130 hours BFRO Investigator G--- heard what sounded like a bear growling nearby. A bear had in fact been seen along this road earlier in the day by other expedition members. As a precautionary move, a call was made to base camp and a vehicle was driven to our location. We subsequently returned to camp.
We were all back at base camp and gathered around a campfire at 2230 when BFRO Investigator J--- did two wood knocks. Nine minutes later all of us heard a loud and perfectly distinct wood knock coming from the darkness to the northeast of us. It’s hard to estimate distances under the conditions we were in, but I suspect the wood knock came from less than 100 yards away. Unlike most wood knocks, which are typically heard only by one or two people, this knock was so loud it was heard by every member of the expedition.
At 2256 we were still at the campfire when we began hearing a series of weird screams. Over the next ten minutes we heard approximately 30 of these noises, which seemed to be coming from various locations, as if the maker of the noise were moving. None of us could identify the sounds but at least two of them were captured on digital sound recorders.
Activity on Friday, 23 October:
It started raining about 2330 on Thursday night and continued raining hard for most of the night.
About 0600 M---, G---, and I took a walk around the campground and used thermal imagers to scan the area. The only things we saw were rodents.
At 0734 D---- did a scream, and I did a couple wood knocks at 0755. Neither generated any kind of response.
At 1045 G---, J---, and I were scouting the end of the peninsula, east of base camp, when I found some fresh coyote scat. Later, another expedition member reported some coyote scat found to the west of base camp. Based on this, I am convinced the many weird screams we heard the previous night were probably produced by coyotes.
At 1115 G---, J---, M---, and I took a long drive along various logging roads. We made several vocalizations and wood knocks during the trip, but received no replies. We were back at base camp at 1315.
At 1920 hours several of us left base camp to hike through a wooded area west of the campground. A number of whoops and knocks were tried, both in the woods and back at base camp, but no replies were heard.
Activity for Saturday, 24 October:
We experienced a very strong windstorm lasting most of the night. Those of us sleeping in tents were frequently buffeted by winds I estimated were sometimes as strong as 50 miles per hour.
I awoke and got out of bed about 0500. I spent about an hour quietly using a thermal imager to scan the area around the camp. I saw nothing but small rodents.
At 1110 several of us left base camp in D----’s car and went to a café where we subsequently had lunch with John Green and his wife, June. John told us some stories about sasquatch hunting in the 1960s and ‘70s and was gracious enough to sign several books for us. We didn’t leave the café until 1630.
After dinner, back at base camp, we spent the evening doing a variety of vocalizations and wood knocks from various locations in and around the campground. The only response we received was at 2300 hours when an owl responded to a whoop by P----.
Activity for Sunday, 25 October:
At approximately 0600 hours J---, M---, and I hiked around the campground area and used thermals to scan for heat sources. We only found rodents. We also did a few howls and wood knocks, but got no responses.
At 0947 hours I departed the expedition and drove back home, arriving about 1730 hours.
Conclusions:
The area we were in has a long history of sasquatch sightings and activity. The expedition organizer made an excellent choice when he decided to have the expedition in this location.
Our camp was visited by at least one sasquatch on Thursday morning. It was seen through a thermal imager and physical evidence of its presence was found at the site.
On Thursday night every member of the expedition heard a clear, unmistakable wood knock which may have been in response to one made by us a few minutes earlier. Unknown to any of us at the time, that would be the last we would hear from any sasquatch for the rest of the weekend. As disappointing as that may have been, the expedition was productive and I believe it would be beneficial to do others in the same area in the future.
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RealNewby
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| Posted: October 26th, 2009 08:14 PM |
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Very well done. Thanks.
I think the most impressive part of this expedition is your ability to objectively look at a series of events which could very easily be attributed to sasquatch activity, but be logical with your ultimate conclusions and rule them out. It's not easy to do when you are actually out looking for evidence and something out of the ordinary happens.
Once again, thanks.
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| Posted: October 26th, 2009 09:06 PM |
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| Thank you for the report. Your expeditions objectivity and methodical approach is appreciated. |
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| Posted: October 26th, 2009 10:15 PM |
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Thanks for sharing Charles! Maybe I'll be able to come out next year if all goes well..
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| Posted: October 26th, 2009 11:09 PM |
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Great report CharlesL, thanks. And I sent you a PM.
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Gazza
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| Posted: October 27th, 2009 11:26 AM |
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Just speculating here but we clearly heard the wood knock within our campsite, 15 minutes later we heard what may have been a coyote running for its life and screaming in terror. Could the sasquatch have made an attempt to have coyote for dinner? I had a report from a trapper who claims he had coyotes on his trap line taken by a sasquatch.
Gary Cronin
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CharlesL
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| Posted: October 27th, 2009 11:42 AM |
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Gazza:
The idea of sasquatches preying on coyotes sounds plausible to me. There have been reports of sasquatches imitating coyote calls. I wonder if they do that in an attempt to lure coyotes into an ambush?
Those two events, the definate wood knock and the weird screams, really stand out in my mind due to the fact that ALL of us heard them. Most of the time, these things involve only one or two people and the rest of us only know about the noise because someone says, "Shhhh! Did you hear that?" |
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Gazza
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| Posted: October 27th, 2009 03:42 PM |
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The wood knock we heard was very compelling. I believe wood knocks and rock throwing are amongst the best evidence we have on these guys, vocals can be confused with owl, coyote etc but a primate hand is required to throw a rock or bang a tree.
Gary Cronin
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PBYodeler
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| Posted: October 27th, 2009 10:00 PM |
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The location for this expedition was chosen mainly because of the topography of the area. It's a narrow corridor to a larger, somewhat isolated, area that has a long history of BF activity. Placing the base camp in this "narrow corridor" put us right in the path of anything traveling through there. The history of the location was somewhat confirmed when I was out there two weeks ago on a solo three day trip. When I go out alone I try to just listen to what's going on around me and learn what kinds of noises are normal to an area. The trip I made two weeks ago exposed me to some very eerie sounds and a possible zapping experience that got me so unsettled that I had to return home a day early and not stay another night out there. This was a scouting trip for the expedition so I had the information I needed anyway and left the area untouched until everyone arrived a week later.
We learned some things and were able to try out some new ideas that we had on calling them in or getting a response to our actions so, along with the sighting and sounds that we experienced it was a very productive expedition. And we will be returning to the area as much as possible before the snow has the roads closed into the location.
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CharlesL
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| Posted: October 28th, 2009 12:25 PM |
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PBYodeler:
Thanks for all the work you did to set this up for success. Your ability to study past reports, talk with local informants, examine local topography, and predict possible sasquatch presence is really impressive. This expedition, as well as many others, proves that the BFRO's interpretation of evidence and their resulting strategies are working!
This expedition also proved to me two very valuable points. The first is: YOU NEVER KNOW WHEN A SQUATCH MIGHT BE NEARBY!
If I had not gotten out of bed early to make breakfast, if M--- hadn't casually picked up a thermal imager off his picnic table before he walked over to chat with me, if that sasquatch hadn't stepped on a branch, and if M--- hadn't seen the squatch's head through the thermal... we would have never known it was there!
I wonder how many other times in my life I've had a large hairy camp visitor that I never knew about?
The second valuable point is: TECHNOLOGY IS CRUCIAL TO OUR SEARCH.
The thermal imager is the ONLY reason we were able to see this sasquatch. Without the thermal, M--- and I would have merely heard a branch breaking and it would have been just another incident of, "Did you hear that? I wish I knew what it was."
Those who know me know I am NOT a big fan of technology. I'd rather walk or ride a horse into the back country than ride an ATV. I refuse to own a Blackberry or a PDA or even carry a cell phone. I gave up TV long ago and don't miss vegetating in front of the boob-tube every evening. I'm constantly at war with this damn computer and it usually kicks my butt. But... our search for sasquatches couldn't have come this far without thermal imagers, night vision scopes, and digital sound recorders.
During our lunch with John Green he related to us how much he would have loved to have our modern technology back when he was hunting sasquatch in the 1950's, 60's, and 70's. He told me that in those days they could only rely on their personal intuition and their own eyeballs to search for bigfoot. (He also said that they tended to carry guns a lot because in those days no one was quite sure if bigfoots were dangerous.) I bet this mystery would be solved and sasquatch would be an accepted member of our zoological texts if guys like John Green, Rene Dahinden, Bob Titmus, Roger Patterson, Bob Gimlin, and others had had the tools we now use on every expedition. |
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| Posted: October 28th, 2009 04:23 PM |
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Another excellent report Charles, it really makes alot of us wish we had been there too (except for the wind and rain!). Thanks!
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| Posted: October 28th, 2009 08:59 PM |
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| I can attest to Charles' low tech mode of transportation. It's not a horse, but let's just say all the parts sort of work...still. I like his sedate driving though. I'd rather be on a horse, too. So if an expedition ever puts THAT together...wow. That'd be awesome. |
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| Posted: October 30th, 2009 12:18 PM |
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2 thoughts (aside from my awe at the great details of this trip!):
1 – Are the squatch going to adapt? It seems likely the squatch would have noted that you saw him with the thermal, and immediately came in his direction. Years ago, people would have looked in his direction in that light, and just kept scanning. Now, they are seeing that we spot them in darkness, make our way to their location, and find their tracks and other evidence of their presence. I have no doubt that that animal, or his friends observed you throughout all of this.
2 - To attendees – PBY in particular, since you know the area – But Chuck, Gary, etc, feel free to chime in. Any chance the wood knock could have been human? Gary – you and I held our breath for a few seconds, a while back, as we had very distinct, close proximity answer calls, only to discover it was campers messing with us. I think as more and more people get familiar with our research habits, it unfortunately gets more and more likely that some responses could be humans that are familiar with what we are trying to do.
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| Posted: October 30th, 2009 09:07 PM |
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No chance the knock was human. We were the only ones there and every member of the expedition was at the camp fire and heard it when it happened.
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CharlesL
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| Posted: October 31st, 2009 05:53 PM |
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You bring up some good points, Tyler.
I DEFINATELY think it was a mistake for us to show interest in and move closer towards that sasquatch. On my first BFRO expedition, in Alberta, we were told that a sasquatch will most likely leave if he thinks he's become the center of attention. That theory was proved when M--- and I started focusing our attention in the squatch's direction. My only excuse for this is that it is REALLY difficult to act like nothing is there when every nerve in your body is shouting, "Oh MY God! I Want To See It!"
As to your second point, I totally agree with PBYodeler. At that point in the expedition (Thursday night) we were the only people in the campground. Luckily, we were a relatively small group and it was easy for all of us to gather around or near M--- and J-----'s campfire. (J----- is a pretty good campfire cook and she tends to share what she cooks, so her campfire naturally became everyone's gathering point!) J-----'s campfire was located at the entrance of the campground. The only way anyone could enter the campground was to drive or walk by J-----'s camp. We had the place totally to ourselves. I can positively say whatever made that very distinct and relatively close wood knock, it wasn't a human. ALL the humans were accounted for.
On Friday two non-expedition campers did arrive at the campground. One was a man and his dog and the other were some people who brought several ATVs on a trailer. I have since wondered if the total lack of sasquatch activity after Thursday night is because our anthropoidal visitor decided he didn't like the presence of a large dog and people driving around on their noisy quads. |
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Tyler H
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| Posted: October 31st, 2009 06:10 PM |
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Thanks PBY, and Chuck
I just like to play Devil's advocate, and push the scrutiny - partly for those people visiting the site who are going to be skeptical of the things we experience.
I am undecided as whether to call what you did, Chuck, a mistake - I mean, let's say you saw it, and did not go to that location. You may not have found the evidence that you did find, if you had merely tried to find that location later, rather than heading there immediately. I really only brought up the point, as it occurred to me that Squatch are very likely very used to us not being able to see them in the dark. I wonder if they now go back to their friends and say "what the heck, some human totall spied me in pitch black darkness, and headed straight for me. This seems to be happening more and more - we're really going to have to step it up a notch on our stealth, and stop assuming they can't see us. If you see any of those guys hold something up to their eye, watch it, they're on to you."
As this gear gets more common - especially in our research areas - years from now, it may be interesting to note if it was eaiser to get visuals with thermals in these early years, than it will be down the road, when they may start to adapt their behaviours. We may be in a real prime-time to use these tools right now, and they may become less effective as these animals start to figure out what is going on. They may start to suppress their curiosity, and become even more reclusive, and show up around our camps less and less.
Don't ask me why, as it would seem they have suffered no predictable/consistent harm from humans for as long as we know of, but it would seem they really hate being seen.
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CharlesL
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| Posted: November 1st, 2009 08:42 PM |
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I agree. I definately believe these creatures are intelligent enough to understand that some humans are now behaving differently than in the past.
Add this idea to the long column of things listed under the heading of "I wish I knew..." |
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| Posted: November 2nd, 2009 12:25 AM |
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Lesson #1 when using a thermal imager: NEVER stop watching a suspected sasquatch until you can't see it anymore. Many reports have a person seeing a tremendous heat signature with a thermal imager, then for whatever reason the person removes the viewer from their eye and the object is gone when the same person or another person tries to resume viewing it.
So along Tyler's line of thinking, sasquatches must often detect they've been spotted thanks to that thing the human is holding to it's eye and then make a break for it as soon as the human takes the thing away from it's eye. |
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| Posted: November 2nd, 2009 09:18 AM |
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I agree. It is difficult to find what you are looking for once you have removed the thermal from your eye.
Why wouldn't they just bolt when they see a human holding something the their eye? Is it the movement of the thermal from the eye, or something else causing them to leave? |
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| Posted: November 2nd, 2009 12:24 PM |
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I would posit that their first response, when it is dark out, is "freeze - make no movements, make no sounds - Stupid humans can't see us in the dark anyways." Lately, they may now see us raise something to our eye, but that has not meant anything to them in the past, so - 'big deal'.
But if they start to associate us putting something to our eye, with the subsequent action of us focussing on them, and following their movements with our eyes/head, or worse, pointing them out to friends , or worse yet, walking right at them, they will start to realize the thing we put to our eye is letting them be seen. (Presently, I would guess that this is when they watch for an opportunity to vanish - our behaviors show they have somehow been seen). Once they realize our behaviors/abilities have changed, we may start to see their behaviors change - either bolting right away, or staying further out to begin with, or making better use of camouflage and obstacles. I think we will also start to formulate “best practices” to try to compensate for/counter-act this.
Chess with Squatch!
(Edited by Tyler H)
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| Posted: November 7th, 2009 12:22 PM |
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Hearty thanks from me (timid researcher from the "real" interior of BC) for your report CharlesL. It put the weekend's many happenings into a wonderful and chronological read. I hope those researchers involved in Thursday evening's walkabout are reading this because I've had an interesting recollection and am suddenly seeking corroberation to my experience.
After the rock slide and after the roadside growl(s) and subsequent call to base camp for a pick-up or escort for our trip back to camp......and it must have been as PBY and ? pulled up, shining headlights at the group and the group milling about at the roadside while Gazza reported to vehicle's driver regarding group size/rides/wealth of response to the call (total of 3 vehicles responded)......NOW.....as I was moving closer to the roadside and in the light of the vehicle I noticed an arrangement of rocks stacked at the roadside. I stepped to the side of it (to miss it as I took another small step or two towards the road's edge. At this time I pointed this "cairn" out to another person. I believe I said outloud (but heard?) that I had noticed this stack of rocks just before dark when PHutch and I first arrived at the site.
The reason I'm revisiting this experience is because I'm reading Raincoast Sasquatch and, just this moment, finished the part about possible "cairn making" activity attributed to sasquatch. A light came on and illuminated this, until now, unimportant moment with a whole new light.
It was dark (really dark) and it was my first ever walkabout in this, my second expedition. I had abandoned camp set-up to my tent-mate when PBY (best expedition host ever) came by and invited us along. He tossed a night scope at me to help my trek from campsite#7 to #1 (host site). Within moments I was tagging along with the rest of the assembled group with only the red lights of others to walk by (thank you to the two men who wore lighter colored pants, you may have noticed how close I had to follow you to keep those moving legs in sight and follow your footsteps around and through potholes/puddles/pathways). Did I mention how dark it was?
So....if anyone recalls milling at the roadside as the first vehicle arrived and it stopped just short of the awaiting group, headlights ablazing......might you recall my comments? At that time I had not put any names firmly to faces so might expect the same for others in regards to me or my actions/comments on that eventful outing.
If I had to make a blind guess......I'm thinking it was either J..(of J&M) or the gracious camper in #6 (C?)that assured us campsite #7 had the best view of the lake as PHutch and I walked past him on our way to explore that very campsite at the suggestion of another gracious and welcoming researcher.
However, it was dark, so I am appealing to the memories of others at this point. Anyone have anything to offer? mj
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PBYodeler
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| Posted: November 7th, 2009 01:40 PM |
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I didn't see that pile of rocks but there are a few others along that road from the highway. Through the summer that area gets a lot of traffic from campers and ATVers and I'm pretty sure the rock piles along the road are people made. The ones that you see associated with BF reports are usually found off trail where there is little to no human traffic so the possibility of it being made by a BF is more understandable.
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Hillbilly in Cali
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| Posted: November 8th, 2009 12:10 AM |
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| In Afghanistan and Kosovo, people will stack rocks to indicate land mines or some other form of explosives/danger. Not that there is many land mines laying around North America, but what do you feel the purpose stacking the rocks for BF is? |
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Barb Kaz
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| Posted: November 8th, 2009 12:29 AM |
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I've been with people who stacked up rocks to sit on, if they're going to hang out for awhile, though they did have a flat rock on top. LOL. I always figured BF used rock piles as signals when they didn't have any trees handy, or as ammo piles... like we did with snowballs as kids.
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bbwena
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| Posted: November 8th, 2009 01:01 AM |
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Hillbilly, Could be the same thing....just an indication of danger. Maybe "humans are around this area" or something. I like the snowball theory Barb! LOL
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maurjohn
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| Posted: November 8th, 2009 01:06 AM |
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Thanks PBY, can you hear the pffffffffft as air leaves my balloon of excitement? I really do appreciate the widening of my vision with your feedback and your calm voice of reasoned knowledge.
Of course if [/b]I[b]] saw it upon pulling into the area then, duh, others will have seen it as they pulled in. And with, as you say, other piles common along that roadside it was likely man-made. HOWEVER, with my newly informed eyes, I now know to look for this sign whenever I'm able to be out there
a-looking.
As to the question of what the purpose of rock stacking might be for the sasquatch.....the book I was reading and which triggered my memory and sent my zeal reading way high on the zealometer.....was Rain Coast Sasquatch by J.Robert Alley (2003, Hancock House Publishers, Surrey BC, Canada and Blaine WA, USA). The author examines, collates, and compares reports (records) of Sasquatch throughout Southeast Alaska, Coastal BC and Northwest Washinton (Puget Sound to Yakutat). Stacking rocks has been observed (reported) in association with feeding (collecting up a meal's worth of sasquatch food and consuming in one sitting) as well as stacking of rocks as they were turned over and underparts scavenged for rodents/rodent's nests as food. The other thought about stacked rocks out in the middle of sasquatch territory and off the beaten human path.....is that males are marking/directing the route for the females and youngsters to follow as families migrate/relocate.
So, I've learned a lot (more)....(again).....and am still ruminating on all that took place on our expedition and savoring the experience(s). mj
Compelling information (for me).
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| Posted: November 8th, 2009 11:48 PM |
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It seems more conceivable that the rock stacking was most likely done by humans, as no one has ever seen BF in the act of stacking.
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