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Tyler H
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Rod - appreciate the objective skepticism. I agree that known primates (including, perhaps humans) can not be totally ruled out yet. Maybe after further analysis.
I think it is important to remember that many (if not most) knowledgeable researchers feel there are more than one breed/subspecies of 'squatch in the US - so we do not necessarily have to conclude that this one would grow up to match Patty in all proportions/dimensions.
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oddball
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| Posted: October 22nd, 2007 02:44 PM |
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| There is a picture on another board that shows bear bones superimposed and they seem to match very well. Appears this is a bear. |
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wildmanmarty
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I have been a lurker on this forum for quite some time and decided to surface. First off, I want to say that I have been a bigfoot addict for over 40 years, off and on. I am convinced of their existence. That our of the way, when I first saw these photos, I was very excited about them. Then I started seeing photos posted of a mangy black bear, which made me look closer at the photos. I have studied Anthropology, but I am not a primate or bear expert. These are just my personal observations.
Three things bother me about them. One is that the butt looks pretty bony. Bipeds typically have well developed gluteus maximus muscles, but there may be an explanation for this.
The second point, is that I cannot see a heel and the foot looks rather short. A squatch is supposed to have a heel that sticks out farther than a human. Perhaps it does have a heel that is hidden by debris on the ground?
What bothers me the most, is that if you look very closely at the head in the first photo of the animal, there appears to be a long, pointed form angled toward the ground, about the shape and size of a bear's ear. I enhanced this area in Photoshop and it is even more clear. I will not post this enhanced version unless it is legal and there is interest in seeing it, but you can make it out in the original photo.
Again, let me stress that I am not an expert in this field and I hope I am wrong. I just want to be as objective as possible. It is a very interesting topic, and I look forward to the official results and more photos. Maybe the other pics will clarify things.
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| Posted: October 22nd, 2007 03:05 PM |
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I am a hunter, I have hunted, and observed bears in the forests of Northern Ontario several times. If thats a bear than it's the first one I've seen with the curious ability to completely straighten out it's front legs( 3rd pic)and it can also bend it's back in a way that the average bear cannot. Black bears also do not have a "bump" or hump on their back at the shoulders either. I'm not a bear expert, these are just my observations of bears I've seen in the wild.
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Eric Squatcher
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| Posted: October 22nd, 2007 03:54 PM |
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OK- I hear what you're sayin - but lets not put the cart in front of the horse (as I do too often) Bftracker posted a pic of a mangy bear that really got me thinking. In the photo below I point out what may be the ears and possible tail in the Jacobs pics. What do you all think?
Cowboyman sent me a pic that he reversed the image (negative), and I'll post that too if he dosen't mind...
jonathon820- There is a whole thread on that discussion. Check it out- 
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Kate1980
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| Posted: October 22nd, 2007 04:00 PM |
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Quote:
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One is that the butt looks pretty bony. Bipeds typically have well developed gluteus maximus muscles, but there may be an explanation for this.
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Actually there are quite a few species of primates that have boney structures or calluses on their rears, some examples are Rhesus Macaques, Cyno Macaques, most any primate in the Macaque group or even Babboons...
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Kate1980
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I really strongly feel that this photo is not a bear, but maybe I'm just over excited and praying to god its a bf photo...lol
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| Posted: October 22nd, 2007 04:39 PM |
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Please show me pictures of a Bear with long skinny legs like that! No way that is a bear! Not even CLOSE, but I aint no pro/scientist either
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Eric Squatcher
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| Posted: October 22nd, 2007 05:21 PM |
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bam - Here's one:
What do you think?
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paulm
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| Posted: October 22nd, 2007 05:23 PM |
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I'm thinking bear unless there are some other pictures that are better.
Edit: Wow that's one uuuuggggly bear! |
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wildmanmarty
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| Posted: October 22nd, 2007 05:25 PM |
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Quote:
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Actually there are quite a few species of primates that have boney structures or calluses on their rears, some examples are Rhesus Macaques, Cyno Macaques, most any primate in the Macaque group or even Babboons...
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The thing is, I was referring only to bipeds. The Rhesus Macaque and the Baboon are quadrupeds. As I am sure you know, one of the main functions of the gluteus maximus muscles is to help maintain an erect posture and I just don't see any evidence of that in the photo. Unless juvenile BFs develop those muscles later, as seen on Patty?
Another thing I noticed from Eric's pics above is that in the last pic (where it is bending over), right in the lower part of the light spot that appears to be it's head is what looks like it may be a snout (the small dark spot).
But, like you, I hope it is a squatch. Bam has a good point, that the legs look too long for a bear. I just don't know. I would like to see more photos.
(Edited by wildmanmarty)
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| On the other thread, I posted that this could be the real thing but after seeing the photo of the hairless bear, I'm not so sure. It does resemble Jacobs photos. |
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Tyler H
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| Posted: October 22nd, 2007 05:53 PM |
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Yeah, I think leg/arm length to torso length is too long for a bear... and that the supposed "ear" and "tail" are not quite in the right places... tail should be lower, if it were a bear tail, and right ear should be closer to left ear, if it is a bear's ear.
Glutes?
yeah, even young humans have next to none, until they start bipedal walking and stuff.
As we've all said - would be nice to see the rest of the pics - look forward to the expert's assessments.
I still think human in a costume is as likely as another bear. (Not that I think either of those options is likely)
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rod
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I think we may have just identified jacobs creature.....after all our theorising and hoping...its a bloody skinny bear with a boney arse.......Ocum's Razor: what it most probably is, is what it most probably is......too many problems with it being juvie sasquatch...small feet, bony butt, no clear head shot....cubs around the salt lick 30mins earlier....I gather plenty of bears in the area.....that photo supplied of the skinny bear by good old eric s.....people, I mean PEOPLE......i think we all must admit that it aint looking good..................rod
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rod
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| Posted: October 22nd, 2007 08:18 PM |
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johnathan mate, I can't really see a bear either, but I can't see a sasquatch....what are we left with.........doubt and mystery, and no offence to Dr Meldrum and his esteemed scientific truth seekers but no matter what they try and do to the photos, they are'nt going to be able 'prove' anything' when all they have to work with is some grainy, night photos.....so don't hold your breath for a definitive yes or no......So as you know I am 80% believer in sasquatch and the hairy man we have here in australia, but until..............
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jonathan820
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For what it's worth, I do believe that these creatures, humanoids, etc., do exist. I do not doubt it.
Approximately 40 years ago, I found a bug in a nearby field that looked very strange and scary. Never seen anything like it since, in any books, drawings or photo's.
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rod
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| Posted: October 22nd, 2007 08:37 PM |
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yeh, but a 8foot tall 600lb animal animal would find it abit more difficult to stay 'unknown' than bug mate...no offence....cheers rod
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jonathan820
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| Posted: October 22nd, 2007 08:39 PM |
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| I agree. But, Biblically speaking, there might be a reason for it. |
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Eric Squatcher
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| Posted: October 22nd, 2007 08:40 PM |
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Rod- I'm not the one who first posted that pic of the mangy bear. Like I said BFtracker had a link up earlier. (sorry BFT if I'm wrong)
I just think that it makes more sense to go with a sick bear who's mom has two new cubs to look after, and she makes the older juvie go out on its own. The out cast cub follows along and eats the scraps of what mama and cubs leave behind. The time frame btw the cubs shot and the first of the two Squatch shots makes sense too.
I'm not trying to bum anyone out- believe me. I was just as excited as anyone.
jonathan820- your pics in the neg image still show the same things as the ones I posted. The bottom two appear to have ears, if you take into account the shadow from the flash.
As long as you don't try to sell them to anyone- I think you'll be OK
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jonathan820
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Don't plan to sale. Will be deleting all before the night is over. Have a special program that will wipe them completely out.
PS - I'm quite old now. Hunted most of my life down in South, Central, and North Florida, Tennessee, South Carolina, Georgia and, I appologize to you Eric, I still do not see a bear.
Not unless this bear is up-chucking, the straight hind legs do not make any since.
Also, if BF's are humanoid, they would have ears. Some humans have very big ears, some very small. No offense to anyone. |
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| Posted: October 22nd, 2007 08:54 PM |
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Sorry to rain on everybody's parade here but it looks like these photos are being over analyzed just like the Patterson film. So many of you are saying bear because of the pics of the mangy bear that are shown on this thread. Thanks to BFtracker for that by the way. Show me one bear that can put his backside in the air and his nose on the ground like that with all four legs straight. That wasn't a skinny bear in that photo he just didn't have any hair. The pics of the cubs also show a great difference in body shape and leg length. There are people that have seen juvenile sasquatches and the animal in those pics is the same as the young creatures that they have seen.
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jonathan820
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| Posted: October 22nd, 2007 08:56 PM |
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Well, just learned something just now. If you post a pic, leave it in your pic's folder.
Sorry guys, deleted post also, lost pics.
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Kate1980
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| Posted: October 22nd, 2007 08:58 PM |
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I agree, I see no way it can be a bear...
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I could be wrong we will have to wait and see, but I do not think this is a bear.
-The shoulders are too square.
-The back is too broad.
-Lacks the tail, snout and ears of a bear.
I think this is a primate hopefully a young Squatch? For now I'll throw the attached link in to add to the debate.
http://www.geocities.com/RainForest..._Idzikowska.jpg
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jonathan820
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| Posted: October 22nd, 2007 09:02 PM |
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Thank you PB, the body is too short in comparison to the arms and legs.
Well, got to go. This thread is getting out of wack. |
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wildmanmarty
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| Posted: October 22nd, 2007 09:16 PM |
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Has anyone on this board seen a young squatch? I would be interested in getting their viewpoint.
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Eric Squatcher
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jonathan820 - No apology neccessary. I'm sure you have much more experience with wildlife than do I. If Tom thinks you should put them back on- well there you go. I don't think you have any worries.
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Eric Squatcher
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PBYodeler- I hope you're right. 
Maybe some of those individuals would be willing to offer their opinions to this thread?
bigmike - You make some good points! I'm not sure how the Chimp photo adds to it though. Are you just showing us how a primate might be able to achieve that position as seen in the third photo? Or is there something besides that I'm missing?
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Eric- I PM'D you, Trying to post three photo shop light dark enhanced images of the jacobs pics as well as 12 labeled points on each image. Cant upload the pics to show the labeling so can I email someone and email you the pics to post?????
PM me someone...i cant do computers anymore, they boggle my mind
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rod
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| Posted: October 22nd, 2007 10:42 PM |
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I am reluctantly leaning towards bear based mainly on what it is most likely to be...I have never seen a young squatch but I did play a young kid at squash once....rod
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