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mudzillaefi
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 Posted: December 11th, 2007 10:22 AM  Edit Post Delete post Back to top

Has anyone seen or heard if meldrum or anyone has seen and commented on these pictures? I was just wondering?
 
 
Kevin
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 Posted: December 11th, 2007 12:24 PM  Edit Post Delete post Back to top

I would like to see what RKennedy thinks it is.
 
 
Brent D
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 Posted: December 11th, 2007 07:32 PM  Edit Post Delete post Back to top

I heard in two seperate radio interview with Jeff Meldrum saying he thinks its a bear with mange.


 
 
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 Posted: December 11th, 2007 09:50 PM  Edit Post Delete post Back to top

It doesn't take an expert to recognize the difference between bear and ape (Sasquatch) unless of course people haven't seen any bears to know what they look like or any other animal. I worked with a guy who was arrogant and high on himself, thinking he's right about everything. He's a biker type wanna be. Sticks his chest out along with his ass and strutts around like a rooster in a hen house. One day another co-worker brought in a garder snake in a see-though cup w/grass in it. His kid caught it earlier that day. This snake was pretty big with long yellow stripes and red spots on its side-A Common Garder Snake. This macho-man boasted about how it was a Bull Snake and he caught those with his bare hands down at the river-all the time.
I kept trying to tell him that it was a common garder snake and he refused to believe me at my word and knowlege. He insisted to James, who brought it in for show that it was a Bull Snake and JohnP. (I) didn't know what I was talking about and that (you know how people talk about you when you're right there) was comeing from somebody who's a BF hunter. Those are HIS words. I corrected him and said Researcher! No difference to him. Just before we had to get back to work him and I kept argueing about it, finally I pointed my finger at him and said, "It's a Garder Snake and you're wrong!" His reply to me was, "JohnP. do you want to take this outside?" I said, "Why, even after you hit me you're still going to be wrong." That was that. We dropped it and got on the phones (worked as a tele-fund raiser). The next day before going back to work at noon I down loaded some pics from the web of Garder Snakes and Bull Snakes to prove he was wrong. Well, on the way to work I was trying to come up with something to say without rubbing it in his face too much. After getting to work I saw that he was there and waited for an opportunity to show him the pics. I handed them to him and said, "Cam-I respect ya too much to lie to ya." He couldn't let go of his arrogance and pride so he says,"John-I'll give that one to ya." I thought-you'll give that one to me?" Like it's your decision to give me anything jackass. Just except Truth and move on. Doesn't matter who its from.

The best part came when I saw the Jacobs photos. I downloaded them and took them to work and showed all three-The cubs and the other two of the squatch. He looked at them and didn't even say a word, then walked off. LOL
That's comeing from a BF researcher.
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 Posted: December 11th, 2007 10:15 PM  Edit Post Delete post Back to top

LOL Good one JDeanP

 
 
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 Posted: December 12th, 2007 06:00 AM  Edit Post Delete post Back to top

I also have heard Dr. Meldrum's interviews and he did indicate the possibility of this being a juvenile sasquatch. He just did not commit himself to it. I will try to get this part for playback.
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 Posted: December 12th, 2007 03:16 PM  Edit Post Delete post Back to top

Red1, maybe you meant this one: it's a link from an earlier thread. This interview was already some time ago though...

www.earthfiles333.com/earthfiles/Episode27mp3.html

I too would like to know the latest from the experts -or be a fly on the wall during one of their discussions
 
 
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 Posted: December 13th, 2007 10:00 AM  Edit Post Delete post Back to top

It was about 3 weeks ago when I heard Jeff Meldrum's radio interview, about his thoughts it being a bear with mange. He said he thinks it's most likely a bear with mange but the pictures are inconclusive. So he didn't say he was 100% sure. At this point we must wait for more conclusive evidence.


 
 
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 Posted: December 13th, 2007 11:11 AM  Edit Post Delete post Back to top

I personnaly think bear myself, but I hope I am wrong.
 
 
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 Posted: December 13th, 2007 11:21 AM  Edit Post Delete post Back to top

The other day someone stopped by my house... someone who DOESN'T believe in BF, and I showed her the photo of the bear and asked what it was and she said "bear" and then I showed her the two Jake photos and you should of seen the look on her face. I asked her if that was a bear and she said "no way" and I asked her what does it look like then... and she said "OMG it looks like a Bigfoot"
 
 
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 Posted: December 13th, 2007 03:49 PM  Edit Post Delete post Back to top

Brent, was that on the radio show hosted by George Noory, because if it was it's the same one I happened to hear (might have been Ian hosting that night) him say too that he thought it was a bear with mange. I had wanted to listen more to the interview but had a 4 yr old not wanting to sleep and so my attention was mostly elsewhere and then I fell asleep before they replayed the show.

Dory, I've done the same same thing with all friends and family that stop by (actually I only stop short of thrusting it upon the delivery and church people that show up LOL). I've asked people ranging in ages from 4 yrs old to 65 yrs old and they ALL say that the first photo is clearly of 2 bear cubs and the last 2 look like an ape, monkey or gorilla type creature, had several say "Bigfoot". The story actually made it to the local news here in Oregon and even the anchorman said he's not EVER seen a bear that looks like that. I was only saddened that it was shown right around Halloween and so many of the people that were weighing in on it assumed it was a Halloween prank not realizing the pics had been taken almost 1.5 months before. I guess it's a good way to help perpetuate their "nonexistence".
Jacquie in Oregon
 
 
Brent D
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 Posted: December 14th, 2007 09:48 AM  Edit Post Delete post Back to top

Here is what Loren Coleman says about the jacob photo's:

The number one Bigfoot story of the year, based purely on the fact most people in the general public heard that this event happened, is perhaps the thinnest hominological case of recent memory. It probably is more about a common animal with a disease than an unknown primate, but that did not stop this incident from being discussed as a “Bigfoot.”

In a calculated release of a month-old series of photographs, specifically timed to the date of the 40th anniversary of the Patterson-Gimlin footage , two Pennsylvania trailcam photographs were given to the media for maximum exposure by the BFRO organization. With no evidence to support the claim, the photos were labeled that of a “juvenile Sasquatch.”

The two images and an accompanying photograph of two bear cubs at the same spot were reported to have been taken on September 16, 2007, by a Bushnell game camera placed in a Pennsylvania forest by a private individual.

The “Jacobs Creature,” as it was called, resulted in ridicule-filled media reports and much debate within the Bigfoot community on the worth of the photographs. From the beginning, Crypto mundo noted the images appeared to be of a “mangy bear”. Anthropologist Jeff Meldrum agreed, as did the Pennsylvania wildlife department. A few folks, nevertheless, saw in the photographs a Bigfoot.

Most people around the world, even with a mild interest in Bigfoot matters, will recall 2007 as the year of this misnamed “juvenile Sasquatch.” Upon reflection, however, the running joke by year’s end for any questionable cryptid photograph was that it was no doubt a known animal with mange.




 
 
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 Posted: December 14th, 2007 10:09 AM  Edit Post Delete post Back to top

From reading some of the other posts about the Jacob's creature on Coleman's site, it is obvious that there is some animosity there for the BFRO, though I'm not sure exactly why. It doesn't seem that objectivity plays a role in those opinions of Jake... the persistent, robotic drumbeat of "mangy bear" continues...
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 Posted: December 14th, 2007 10:10 AM  Edit Post Delete post Back to top

Wow, that was pretty harsh!!!! I can't really subscribe to the theory that the BFRO intentionally misrepresented anything, I mean I have no reason to think that would be the case. Even though I am not convinced that the Jacobs photos show a BF, there are enough inconsistancies when compared to a bear that I also can't 100% say that the animal in the pictures is a bear (even though I would lean more that way than BF).
 
 
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 Posted: December 14th, 2007 10:36 AM  Edit Post Delete post Back to top

I'm not familiar other than the name, Has Loren Coleman ever had a BF encounter?
 
 
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 Posted: December 14th, 2007 04:17 PM  Edit Post Delete post Back to top

Quote:
oregongirl wrote:
Brent, was that on the radio show hosted by George Noory, because if it was it's the same one I happened to hear (might have been Ian hosting that night) him say too that he thought it was a bear with mange. I had wanted to listen more to the interview but had a 4 yr old not wanting to sleep and so my attention was mostly elsewhere and then I fell asleep before they replayed the show.

Dory, I've done the same same thing with all friends and family that stop by (actually I only stop short of thrusting it upon the delivery and church people that show up LOL). I've asked people ranging in ages from 4 yrs old to 65 yrs old and they ALL say that the first photo is clearly of 2 bear cubs and the last 2 look like an ape, monkey or gorilla type creature, had several say "Bigfoot". The story actually made it to the local news here in Oregon and even the anchorman said he's not EVER seen a bear that looks like that. I was only saddened that it was shown right around Halloween and so many of the people that were weighing in on it assumed it was a Halloween prank not realizing the pics had been taken almost 1.5 months before. I guess it's a good way to help perpetuate their "nonexistence".


Jacquie,
It was Ian (Punnitt) hosting that evening's AM Coast to Coast show...
 
 
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 Posted: December 17th, 2007 02:22 PM  Edit Post Delete post Back to top

Lteliza, thought it might have been LOL. I wasn't sure and that's why I asked.
Jacquie in Oregon
 
 
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 Posted: December 20th, 2007 02:03 PM  Edit Post Delete post Back to top

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..." From the beginning, Crypto mundo noted the images appeared to be of a “mangy bear”. Anthropologist Jeff Meldrum agreed, as did the Pennsylvania wildlife department."


Thanks Brent for posting this. It seems to me that all reports of Dr. Meldrums "agreement" has been at least 2nd hand. Is there a 1st hand account anywhere of his so-called agreement? (Geez, doesn't he read this forum ) Links, anyone???
 
 
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 Posted: December 21st, 2007 05:58 PM  Edit Post Delete post Back to top

Quote:
DoryR wrote:
The other day someone stopped by my house... someone who DOESN'T believe in BF, and I showed her the photo of the bear and asked what it was and she said "bear" and then I showed her the two Jake photos and you should of seen the look on her face. I asked her if that was a bear and she said "no way" and I asked her what does it look like then... and she said "OMG it looks like a Bigfoot"


If she don't believe in BF, she's no doubt ever seen one... so if she says 'omg it looks like a bigfoot', how would she know what one is suposed to look like in the first place? I dont get why her saying that would make it credible?
It's one thing to say you 'believe', and another thing to know. Do you follow the pack, or lead?
 
 
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 Posted: December 21st, 2007 06:13 PM  Edit Post Delete post Back to top

It may not make it any more credible, but it shows the general opinion of an unbiased first view of these pictures. Both believers and non believers have the same response. If its still there, MSNBC top story of the day, search jacobs creature, watch the video, it shows a professional skeptic who has been looking at bigfoot for years and says he thinks these pictures may be real.
 
 
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 Posted: December 21st, 2007 06:19 PM  Edit Post Delete post Back to top

It is still there.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21518056/

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/2113454...536237#21536237
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 Posted: December 21st, 2007 06:29 PM  Edit Post Delete post Back to top

Can you believe that? A big skeptic studying pictures for many years talking that way? If I ever get a picture of bigfoot this would be 1 guy I wouldn't want looking at it.
(Edited by Bucker)
 
 
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 Posted: December 21st, 2007 08:51 PM  Edit Post Delete post Back to top

Very interesting. They also showed my favorite film footage. What is also very interesting is that skeptics will take a guy who claims to have worn the suit at his unsupported word when dimensions could never match. I'm about the same size as hieronimus and my in seam is about 30 inches. I couldn't approach a step to match a figure standing 7ft. 3 in. It is a start though. I noticed the normally skecptical individual quoted Rick Jacobs and repeated himself that in didn't look like any bear he'd ever seen. Did you also hear the laughter while reporting the story? Is that fair and balanced reporting?
 
 
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 Posted: December 22nd, 2007 09:58 AM  Edit Post Delete post Back to top

These reporters seem very anti-Bigfoot, that is what makes the way they covered this story so surprising to me. I think they knew Bob Kiviat would do his homework, and was about to prove it was a bear or a kid in a suit. But he could not.
 
 
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 Posted: December 22nd, 2007 10:22 AM  Edit Post Delete post Back to top

There are some things happening today that were not years ago. People can see things for themselves these days. There are trail cams here and there so something like this could happen again. In the Jacobs case it is just a hunter looking for deer, just what the camera is made for. If you want to be a skeptic you can't just say it ain't so since you need to be credible now too. If people start to report more photos like Jacobs and more of us don't just shut up and run they'll have to prove their case instead of us or eat crow.
 
 
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 Posted: December 22nd, 2007 12:33 PM  Edit Post Delete post Back to top

Besides, don't skeptics know how hard it is to prove something does NOT exist? I should know I am one :-) but if I had to put money on it, I'd put in in favor of the big hairy ones.
 
 
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 Posted: December 22nd, 2007 06:15 PM  Edit Post Delete post Back to top

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I'm not familiar other than the name, Has Loren Coleman ever had a BF encounter?


No, he hasn't. Back when I started my research of this creature he was an "up and comer", Dahinden, Krantz, Green and Byrne were THE top notch researchers and investigators.

This is the book that ushered me into Sasquatch, which is probably why I'm such a Peter Byrne fan.

 
 
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 Posted: December 28th, 2007 08:32 AM  Edit Post Delete post Back to top

Yesterday December 27, 2007 on the Ellen Degeneres Show they showed the jacob creature photos. The audiance and Ellen agreed they were of an actual bigfoot.
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 Posted: December 28th, 2007 10:37 AM  Edit Post Delete post Back to top

Red - that's certainly interesting. I don't watch much TV so I missed it. What did she have to say?

Thanks.
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 Posted: December 28th, 2007 01:45 PM  Edit Post Delete post Back to top

The pictures were shown in the backdrop of the stage. They wanted to see if it was real, so they voted on it, the majority voted real. Then Ellen said she believes it is real. She brought out someone in a bigfoot costume and danced.
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