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Bernie,
Please ask the eyewitness in the Wisconsin snow track case to sign up for the Blue Forum (this public forum) so he can field questions about what he saw.
That one is a very important case, because it closely ties a bigfoot to the "high-wire" track pattern, which is seen in other photos pf tracks in the snow. The only other sighting case that does it better is the Patterson-Gimlin encounter, combined with the track pattern it left behind.
Please ask the witness to reply to this thread once he has signed up and logged in, so people know he is available. Have him answer his correspondence about the incident on this forum only, not by private email, so we can all see the Q&A.
From what I understood, the area is way out in the boonies, so it probably won't be a problem to specify the location, because it probably won't get overwhelmed with curious people. It might have been a different story if we had posted the photos within a day of receiving them.
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Mufasa
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| Posted: March 11th, 2009 03:40 PM |
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| Holy cow, that stride length is huge! It also looks like there are two sets of tracks? |
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ravellette
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| Posted: March 11th, 2009 05:36 PM |
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Those look like the stride prints I saw in Maine back in 78/79
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ravellette
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| Posted: March 11th, 2009 06:51 PM |
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In photo number 3 there seems to be tracks on the far right, what type of prints are these?
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Trax
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| Posted: March 11th, 2009 08:39 PM |
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I'm particularly interested in WI 5, it looks like one BF is trailing deer then coming back or it might have been two hunting together.
the truth is out there.... |
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ravellette
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| Posted: March 11th, 2009 11:15 PM |
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I agree Trax, it looks like there were two set's of deer tracks going left and right.
Were they being chased?
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McGregor
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| Posted: March 12th, 2009 12:13 AM |
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Where are you looking at these photo's?
The inevitability of its doom is apparent to me now as a consequence of the imperfection inherent in every human being.
Never reject an eccentric opinion as every accepted opinion was once eccentric.
G'day mate |
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Bossburg
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| Posted: March 12th, 2009 12:24 AM |
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McGregor and anyone else needing the info:
There is a new map/link on the main BFRO.net page taking you to the pictures and specific information. You will end up here:
http://www.bfro.net/news/SnowTracks/index.asp
Within the above link are clickable links to this forum and the various discussions.
Enjoy.
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McGregor
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| Posted: March 12th, 2009 01:29 AM |
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Quote:
Bossburg wrote:
McGregor and anyone else needing the info:
There is a new map/link on the main BFRO.net page taking you to the pictures and specific information. You will end up here:
http://www.bfro.net/news/SnowTracks/index.asp
Within the above link are clickable links to this forum and the various discussions.
Enjoy.
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Thanks Boss
I usually come straight to forums. But wa wa wee wa those are some nice tracks. The stand out like a dogs bollix as well. And jeepers the stride is huge indeed.
The inevitability of its doom is apparent to me now as a consequence of the imperfection inherent in every human being.
Never reject an eccentric opinion as every accepted opinion was once eccentric.
G'day mate |
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Simplicity
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| Posted: March 12th, 2009 05:46 AM |
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The best of the lot in my opinion..
Impressive stride & consistent to the delibrate walking of BF IE the straight Lines of Prints also..
Did He/She walk straight over the top of the Fence then & any idea how tall the Fence was ??
Locaton ( even if only a Town Name ) would be great for us Goggle Earth Freaks & Nav said it would be ok ^^^...
I have a feeling something BIG is gonna happen withn the world of the Big Guy soon.. Just a hunch of course.. |
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a.allen63
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| Posted: March 12th, 2009 05:53 AM |
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i agree Simplicity, just awesome pics. dont think anybody's mentioned the stride length yet but it looks huge. wonder if the fella that found it had the guts to follow them.
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Hall82321
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| Posted: March 12th, 2009 10:51 AM |
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I think you all did a GREAT job with all of the snow track photos!!
My question is how did the investigator's tracks compare in depth to the supposed Sasquatch tracks?
If I take off walking in 20+ inches of powder or hard snow I sink or fall through half of the time leaving multiple depths in my tracks. The Animal tracks appear to be a constant depth (is that correct?) So can a mathematical person determine a weight range on the animal with that info? Also makes me wonder if Sasquatches in more snowy regions have bigger feet than sasquatches say in Florida where it doesn’t snow. Kind of like built in snowshoes - their feet are bigger to distribute weight and help keep them above the snow? Sorry - I ramble a lot.
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semi p
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| Posted: March 12th, 2009 11:55 AM |
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| GREAT pic's!! wow. Quite impressed with the stride length and size. Hall, I think you hit the nail on the head when you said that the feet distribute weight more evenly. Probably why they are flat footed, and have a mid-tarsal break to more easily traverse rough terrain consistently. The single-file track method is amazing as well, makes so much sense. Also, I love the way the tracks go directly to somewhere, instead of meandering. As if the subject who made them had a purpose. |
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madff
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| Posted: March 12th, 2009 12:12 PM |
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Where in southeast Wi. were these photos taken? I'm from that area and have heard nothing about this at least as far as the newspapers and local buzz is concerned i also know the wildlife in the area very well, im curious if this may relate to the beast of bray rd stories from the 90's. please pm me with any info.
thank you
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shadowed
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| Posted: March 12th, 2009 12:13 PM |
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| Just an alternative thought, I live in Northern Wisconsin and have seen numerous similar tracks like these and they are normally associated with coyotes chasing deer and small game. The impression and the stride length are identical to a running coyote. |
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PBYodeler
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| Posted: March 12th, 2009 12:17 PM |
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shadowed,
Please visit the "Read this first" section on the forum home page, read the posting guidelines and post your introduction.
Thanks
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Tretiak
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| Posted: March 12th, 2009 01:06 PM |
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Quote:
shadowed wrote:
Just an alternative thought, I live in Northern Wisconsin and have seen numerous similar tracks like these and they are normally associated with coyotes chasing deer and small game. The impression and the stride length are identical to a running coyote.
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Those were my thoughts as well. The tracks seem to straight for bipedal prints. The tracks shown are similar to models walking on catwalks, where they cross their alternating foot over in front of the other when walking, thus forming a straight line walk. I can't see a BF walking with a "tight rope" gait. IMHO
I don't recall Patty walking in a tight rope line of walk. Kind of plodded her way to the bush stepping side by side. Or two rows of prints, all right foot and all left foot.
(Edited by Tretiak)
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ravellette
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| Posted: March 12th, 2009 01:08 PM |
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I have seen the same type tracks in Maine after a witness saw the BF. Maybe because of snow depth?
(Edited by ravellette)
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SMARTIN
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| Posted: March 12th, 2009 09:20 PM |
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Hello to all!
First, I would like to introduce myself as the person who took the first five photos in the Wisconsin tracks section. The last 3 photos were taken by Bernie, the BFRO investigator out of Milwaukee, who came out after I contacted them through their website. I personally want to thank the folks at the BFRO in contacting Bernie so quickly thus enabling him to come out and photograph the tracks we found before they deteriorated to a point where they became unrecognizable.
Second, please note that the first three photos (the ones with the wire fence)were taken 5.6 miles away from where my friend Rick had his sighting. I took those pictures on my way back home from taking photos from the spot where the sighting occured......I actually noticed them by accident.....turned around and went back and took the 3 photos because I thought they looked "a little strange". It wasn't until I downloaded them that I realized how important these photos may be.
Third, the fifth photo is the actual tracks that were made by the sasquatch that ran across the road in front of my friend Rick less than 24 hours before. The single footprint in the bottom left hand corner is mine, to the right of that are fresh deer tracks, and next to those are the footprints of the sasquatch along with some deer tracks to the far left. The footprints are a little degraded because we had brisk winds from the north the night before and some minor drifting occured before I could get down there and photograph them. These tracks measured around 14 inches long and had a stride of 6 feet in snow that was around 8 inches plus deep. I was standing in the road when I took the photo that is posted.
Fourth, the fourth photo is one of a series of tracks that were taken on the other side of the road. These measured 14 inches in length and were along side a well traveled deer trail that went off into the woods. I do have more photos of these tracks and have asked Bernie to post one more in particular. It shows a 14 inch track with 2 splayed toes and a very sharp outline of the foot.
Fifth, the area where the sighting occured was full of hundreds of deer tracks and there were at least 3 seperate trails of large tracks coming out of the woods and crossing the road to the other side, all within 200 feet of each other. I have photos of all of these tracks as well and the BFRO has my permission to post them if they so choose. We are not, however, going to give out the location as this is not out in the boonies but only 4 tenths of a mile from the edge of a small town and I do not want people (jokers) to go there and plant phoney evidence and screw things up.
Sixth, the sighting. The sighting occured at 9:45 am in the morning on a very sunny and clear (cold too) day. Rick was traveling north at about 40-45mph when the sasquatch ran across the road about 200 -250 feet in front of him. He described it as 6-7 feet tall with black hair that was not long, but not short either. He said it ran hunched forward and did not turn to look at him....it just ran straight. He said the body was massive in girth, had very large shoulders and was very muscular. What impressed him the most was the speed at which this creature ran.....incredibly fast he said.....no way a human could move that fast. He said it only took 2 or 3 steps to cross the road and by the time he realized what he saw ,it was gone. He slowed down when he got to where it had crossed but he couldn't see anything (it's wooded on that side as well) so he continued on home and called me about a 1/2 hour later to tell me about this incredible sighting. He was very relieved to hear that I didn't think he was "crazy" and that I believed his story.
Seventh, I'm sure alot of you will have alot of good questions about this sighting, the footprints in the snow and the photos of the fence line. I will try my best to answer your questions and will be checking this forum periodically to respond.
One final thing about Rick. He is in his mid 40's and up until a few years ago he was a submission fighter (he did this as a hobby). To this day he makes daily trips to the gym and continues to train other fighters in the sport. He fears no man, but when I met with him the following day so he could take us to the sight, he was scared, genuinely scared. I have known Rick for almost ten years now and have never seen him this way before. I have no doubt he saw what he saw.
Thanks for taking the time to read this and I will be looking forward to your questions. |
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madff
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| Posted: March 12th, 2009 11:26 PM |
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Has there been a sightings report made out for this incident? I dont see one.
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Simplicity
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| Posted: March 13th, 2009 12:19 AM |
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Ok Smartin, thanks for the clarification of it all.. 
No probs with the Sighting location, it's entirely yours & the BFRO's call if you/they want to keep it Private & we all on this Public Message Board have to respect that..
I'm happy to learn that there was a Class A that comes into play with these Track too, that's always a bonus of course..
I have a feeling something BIG is gonna happen withn the world of the Big Guy soon.. Just a hunch of course.. |
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SMARTIN
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| Posted: March 13th, 2009 09:53 AM |
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Thanks for your understanding about revealing both locations. Bernie and Rick have yet to meet, although they have spoken on the phone. We are all trying to find the time where we can all meet , go to the sight, and go over what was seen. I'm sure after that's done, a report will be posted.
Also, there's an ongoing investigation in the area of the fenceline pictures. From what I am told there was a sighting there about 5 months ago and one witness has yet to be interviewed. And, in yet another area, strange vocalizations were heard.
So, as you can see, there's alot going on in this area and that's why we don't want the locations known. All are easily accessable and could be tampered with. Bernie and I have spoken many times on the phone and we both believe we are dealing with more than one animal. The photos I took of the footprints are smaller than the ones Bernie photographed. Their shape is different also.
This is all very exciting and hopefully will help prove to the skeptics that there is indeed a north American ape roaming around the woods of southeastern Wisconsin. |
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DanBoo
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| Posted: March 13th, 2009 12:43 PM |
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SMARTIN
Thanks for sharing. I too, live in SE Wisconsin (Northwestern Racine Co.) and work in Milwaukee. It is truely fantastic that we have these animals right here! I'd love to know which way from MKE (N, S, W) the animal was sighted but I also understand your reasons for keeping it under wraps.
(Actually, I'm within a few miles of Bray Rd.)
As for the "straight line" gait, I don't profess to being an expert on this, but I have read Meldrum's book and he discusses this frequently. This is evidently not uncommon with a Squatch. |
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Andy
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| Posted: March 13th, 2009 05:14 PM |
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The fence-crossing is something else...wow. It looks like it just up and stepped over it, hardly a break in stride. 8" of snow is probably nothing for an animal like that.
Did you take lots and lots of measurements? (Please say yes.)
Could you draw an accurate, scaled-down version--a schematic--of the track sequence?
And compare right to right to right foot sequences and left to lefts? And maybe gait widths & angles at each stride?
That's the way dinosaur trackways are studied, to see what they reveal about speed, stance, etc.
What great photos! What a terrific find. Thanks for sharing them....
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ravellette
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| Posted: March 13th, 2009 06:47 PM |
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I still can't get over how these look like the ones I saw..........On picture 9, it looks like snow build up at the toe imprint. Is this a squatch who opened their toes and left the snow between the toes?
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SMARTIN
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| Posted: March 13th, 2009 08:09 PM |
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I want to thank Bernie for putting on the addition photos.....numbers 9 and 10. Number 9 is the one I especially wanted on this website as it shows such a high degree of detail around the edge of the foot and the two toed appearance. Photos 4,9 and 10 were all taken in a line on the backside of a small knoll on the east side of the road were Rick saw the sasquatch run in front of his car. These prints followed a well traveled deer trail that was just below camera range (I think I was standing on it when I took these pictures). There is a slight downward incline of the ground and I'm not sure if that is evident in these photos.
As far as the question from Andy, no, I'm sorry but I did not take any measurements. Although it doesn't look it, it was very cold and somewhat windy that day and I just thought those tracks looked weird so I stopped and took the shots. I was standing on the road when I took those 3 pictures and had the zoom all the way out in order to take the closeup.
At Bernies request the other day, I went back there on 3/12 and took measures of the fence so we could get an idea of the stride length, footprint size, etc. The wire fence is 3 feet tall, each square is 6 inches by 6 inches. If you look at the closeup photo of the fence, you can see that the bottom 3 squares are under the snow, making the snow depth at least 18-20 inches where the deer and the sasquatch(?) crossed over. Hopefully from those measurements someone can kinda figure out the footprint size as well as the stride.
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Smitty8105
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| Posted: March 14th, 2009 04:01 PM |
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The tracks in the Wisconsin Photo's are either FAKE, or not a Bigfoot! Here is why:
1: How many upright walking animals/humans walk in a strait line? There should be a defined left to right walking pattern. The foot prints even at a running speed would still have a slight left to right difference in foot prints.
2: Unless you find the track the same day, after 2-3 days of sunshine the tracks will distort. Get larger and change shape!
3: I have seen tracks 100% like that on my own property, and seen the animals that make them. Rabbit, while it jumps threw the snow, and a coyote bounding threw the snow. Y'alls belief that these are Bigfoot tracks is an epic FAIL! |
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Navigator
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| Posted: March 14th, 2009 07:30 PM |
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The Wisconsin photos show tracks from two different locations. Some photos show tracks of more than one type of animal.
Although one of the track lines, at one of the locations, shown in two of the photos (Wisconsin Seven and Eight), may have been made by a leaping coyote, not all of the tracks photographed were made by coyotes and rabbits jumping through the snow.
Rabbits would not compress the snow as much, and the individual impression left by a leaping coyote looks different than a sasquatch track. A coyote impression looks like the one in Wisconsin Seven.
Sasquatches have a right-left pattern when walking slowly or stepping through brush, but more of a straight line pattern, with a slightly inverted step, when walking quickly or running.
Smitty8105 is urging us ... bigfoot researchers ... to be reasonable ... with hum-dingers of logic like "How many upright walking animals/humans walk in a strait line?" So all human patterns of locomotion must be present with these animals, according to Brandon (Smitty8105), who has come here to set us straight about these matters.
2: 2-3 days of sunlight will distort tracks in snow, if there is sunlight, and if the temperature is high enough, but tracks in snow will not melt if there's no sun and it is very cold outside. And if they melt to look larger, then a leaping coyote impression will already start off being bigger than a sasquatch track.
3: Some of the track impressions shown in some of the Wisconsin photos are indeed known animals, but to suggest they all are made by coyotes and rabbits is simply incorrect.
If you are talking about the large tracks in the image labeled "Wisconsin Two" and "Wisconsin Three" then you absolutely have not seen tracks 100% like those on your property, Brandon.
Y'all go fetch us some photos of those 100% identical tracks -- both tracks and a track pattern identical to the one shown in the images labeled as Wisconsin Two and Wisconsin Three.
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ravellette
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| Posted: March 14th, 2009 07:51 PM |
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Thank you Navigator, I saw the exact same pattern and was thinking maybe I didn't see what I thought I was looking at. Wow can't believe how one persons post can think your nuts.
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McGregor
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| Posted: March 14th, 2009 08:03 PM |
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In teh WI - 10 photo is that 2 tracks next to each other like it stood in one spot for a with both feet next to each other?
The inevitability of its doom is apparent to me now as a consequence of the imperfection inherent in every human being.
Never reject an eccentric opinion as every accepted opinion was once eccentric.
G'day mate |
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