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superswamper
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 Posted: March 28th, 2009 03:02 PM |
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I said that I am not a BF skeptic! I believe in BF. However, I am not going to throw 100% amazement at every photo or claim.
And it only makes sense to question things. It is wrong to immediately assume that everything must be BF.
I never said the tracks were hoaxed. They are real tracks. In my opinion, just not from a BF. You can believe they are BF, that's your choice. We are all free to have our own opinions, aren't we?
If I told you that I just saw an elf, you would automatically believe me? I would expect you to question what I saw, regardless of what I may show you.
This would be a very boring site if we all simply replied with, 'wow, great evidence.' I guess I'll try that approach on my next post.
One question though. What is the end conclusion on these photos?
Is there absolutely no possibility that they were made by anything other than a BF? Wondering, because I see many tracks very similar, and I should be studying them more then. If they are indeed BF, I'll need to be spending more time in those areas. |
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Bossburg
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| Posted: March 28th, 2009 03:28 PM |
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superswamper wrote:
I said that I am not a BF skeptic! I believe in BF. However, I am not going to throw 100% amazement at every photo or claim.
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And neither does anyone else in this conversation. Haven't you read what SMARTIN has said? You don't have to believe anything, we really don't care. Those who are interested and can ask questions without arguing are welcome here. 2nd notice.
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SMARTIN
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| Posted: March 28th, 2009 07:19 PM |
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Superswamper,
As I type this our area is being blanketed by 3-8 inches of snow depending on where you live. It is supposed to stop Sunday morning and on Sunday afternoon I will make my 6th trip down there to look for more evidence.....mainly footprints. Do not think for one moment that this area is forgotten. I am going to continue to scout that area for quite some time to come and I hope the BFRO does the same. Yesterday I spoke to a gentleman who has lived in the area for 14 years on a 20 acre farmette. I asked him if he had seen or heard anything unusual in the time he's lived there. After telling him what Rick had seen, he unfortunately couldn't recall anything but was very interested in what had happened. He was going to ask a few friends the same question I asked him so we'll see if I get any replys. "What is the end conclusion on these photos" you ask.....there is no end conclusion. I will continue to look and hopefully photograph more evidence to support what we've already found.
I do have one question for you though. In the Wi-9 photo, in my opinion the best photo I took, how do you explain what made it. Take a good look (it was taken with a decent digital camera), blow it up in size as large as you want. Look at the detail....the outline of the foot.....the drag mark by the heal...the size (14 inches)...the splayed toe apearance....etc. If you don't want to believe that that is a sasquatch track , that's fine.......but then, what made it??
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PBYodeler
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| Posted: March 28th, 2009 09:36 PM |
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Re: superswamper
The conditions surrounding the discovery of these tracks were explained to him several times and he was told NO MORE arguing. He didn't have to agree with us but continuing to tell us we're wrong while ignoring the evidence that goes along with the tracks goes against the posting guidelines that he evidently neglected to read.
All due respect to your 2nd notice Bossburg he's not welcome here anymore.
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joechely
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| Posted: March 29th, 2009 05:23 PM |
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| I know im late posting...but has anyone noticed a mid-tarcel break, or pressure ridge in any of the snow tracks...I believe snow would be best to detect this in the tracks.??? according to Dr. Meldrum the mid tarcel break would be the most identifying print feature for the legendary ape. |
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joechely
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| Posted: March 29th, 2009 05:28 PM |
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| if anyone can point me to any picture or close up to a snow track picture that contains a mid tarcel break I would really appreciate it. Im writing a research paper on the topic for an Anthropology class im taking. |
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GMCguy
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| Posted: March 29th, 2009 05:51 PM |
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This may be a moot point about the tracks being "tight rope straight" at this time because I think Navigator addressed it and there was also a reference to Dr. Meldrum affirming it. But I showed the pics to a retired Army Ranger friend and he mentioned his Boy Scout manual from way back stated some Indians were known to walk like that. He's trying to dig out the manual for me.
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everydayjourneyman
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| Posted: April 1st, 2009 09:53 AM |
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| I've spent a great deal of time in Oregon, Washington, and British Columbia exploring Bigfoot country. I'm currently in Milwaukee for the next month and would be willing to take part in day time and nocturnal grid searches in the sighting area. |
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Steppenwolf
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| Posted: April 21st, 2009 06:52 PM |
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Someone here challenged readers to find rabbit tracks which looked similar to these photos.
Here's one compared to a booted human foot:
To give credit, I believe the image came from links from this blog: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum...hread263638/pg1
I think it looks similar to the Wisconsin photos 9 & 10 - explaining the two splayed toes. The narrow heel in 9 & 10 do not look similar to the image posted here earlier nor of the plaster casts on the BFRO main page.
Also, the first 3 Wisconsin photos, as noted, were not from the location of the sighted Bigfoot, but were prints discovered later. So I do not understand why they were posted first. Those start at Wisconsin 5.
If the first 3 were made by a running BF with a noted 6' stride, why would the prints on the windward side of the fence not be deeper from a heavy BF - where the snow is deeper due to drifting? Yet the prints appear to be just as deep on either side of the fence indicating a lighter weight animal.
Also, the large prints cross the fence where it is lowest - indicating a smaller animal. The fence may be 3' high, but the snow made it lower - only 1'3" using the two 6" square wires and the approx. 3" wire above them. This would also indicate a smaller animal attempting to cross the fence at a lower point than that left by the deer? to the left.
Rabbits can jump 6'. A barrier under 2' wouldn't deter it?
One of the Admins, Navigator, dismissed photo 7 as a possible coyote track. Yet, it's similar to 6, 8 & 5 - 5 being from the alleged BF.
Anyway, these are my thoughts on this. |
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Steppenwolf
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| Posted: April 21st, 2009 07:23 PM |
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As I noted in my Intro, I'm a skeptic.
From this part of the thread, SMARTIN stated:
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"Second, please note that the first three photos (the ones with the wire fence) were taken 5.6 miles away from where my friend Rick had his sighting. I took those pictures on my way back home from taking photos from the spot where the sighting occured......
Third, the fifth photo is the actual tracks that were made by the sasquatch that ran across the road in front of my friend Rick less than 24 hours before. "
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So I do not understand by BFRO posted the 3rd photo and claimed HERE that:
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"This photo from Wisconisn continues to astound people. The snow was 18 inches deep. The larger tracks on the right were not made by a coyote or rabbit leaping through the snow. The tracks were made by a large sasquatch stepping through the snow, and stepping over the fence in the process. The sasquatch tracks intersect with a line of deer tracks. The sasquatch was probably trying to catch up to the deer. These Wisconsin photos show what many witnesses have described in the past -- a tall sasquatch easily stepping over a barbed wire fence without even slowing down. The sasquatch that made these tracks is likely 8-9 feet tall."
Again the fence at that point was only 1'3" or at least under 2' tall due to the drifted snow.
Thanks for your patience. [grin] |
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SMARTIN
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| Posted: April 21st, 2009 11:09 PM |
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I met with Bernie, from the BFRO, in person for the first time on April 16th. After spending 5 hours with him, going over known info and discussing in depth sasquatch activity, I can assure you that the BFRO is extremely thurow in their investigations and will not put forth any photos or stories that are false or misleading. There is a very good reason why the first 3 photos were made public and in time you will understand why. This area is still being investigated and there is more to the story than I can report.
And, after looking again at all the photos I took (only a few were made public), I'm still not convinced that rabbits are almost 7 feet tall and run on two legs.
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Rlowery80
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| Posted: April 22nd, 2009 07:54 PM |
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Steppenwolf,
I applaud your attempts to show these tracks are that of a rabbit; however, with that said. In your "recreation" with side by side comparison and superimposed prints of rabbit tracks ( which are drawings from an artist) got me to looking at it a little more. The left side of your tracks of a rabbit do not match the tracks super imposed onto the alleged BF track. You can see that the trailing front right foot has been moved back and more in line then the sample tracks to the left. I assume that the trailing foot was moved to fit the photo. My point being, why not use an actual picture of rabbit tracks and then do a comparison. I would be more willing to see your point this way then with the artist's rendition of rabbit tracks. IMO so don't take this as argumentive. I just believe that if you throw out a premise then you should back it up with proper facts and not drawings.
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dksac
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| Posted: April 22nd, 2009 11:08 PM |
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| I have an excellent magnifier and you can have one too for free. You just need an old computer to put Ubuntu on and one comes with it. You right click on the image and select save image as and it saves it on the desktop. Then you click on the thumbnail and it comes up around 4X5. You can click zoom until it doesn't fit on the page and make it larger than actual size. I blew up WI-9. It is clear when I fill my 19 inch screen and looks nothing whatsoever like a rabbit track or anything similar. |
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Bullet Bob
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| Posted: July 4th, 2009 02:39 PM |
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Great job on the part of the initial observer AND to the BFRO investigator in quickly detailing same photographicaly. While I have spent 55+ years tracking in both snow and not, I will go out on a limb here and state that photographs 9 and 10 are quite remarkable from a number of standpoints. One who tracks knows the difference etween running prey animals as well as those of predator type animals. Such as to say that in snowy conditions change is quickly and dramiticaly dependent upon prevailing weather conditions and term. For a gambit of reasons these are good in terms of photographic evidence. There is always an acheivable great, but all conditions need be near perfect to achieve that condition. Again, good work and thank you, I for one applaud your fine achievement.
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Trax
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| Posted: July 17th, 2009 10:24 AM |
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AMEN! well said.
Quote:
superswamper wrote:
I said that I am not a BF skeptic! I believe in BF. However, I am not going to throw 100% amazement at every photo or claim.
And it only makes sense to question things. It is wrong to immediately assume that everything must be BF.
I never said the tracks were hoaxed. They are real tracks. In my opinion, just not from a BF. You can believe they are BF, that's your choice. We are all free to have our own opinions, aren't we?
If I told you that I just saw an elf, you would automatically believe me? I would expect you to question what I saw, regardless of what I may show you.
This would be a very boring site if we all simply replied with, 'wow, great evidence.' I guess I'll try that approach on my next post.
One question though. What is the end conclusion on these photos?
Is there absolutely no possibility that they were made by anything other than a BF? Wondering, because I see many tracks very similar, and I should be studying them more then. If they are indeed BF, I'll need to be spending more time in those areas.
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dksac
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| Posted: July 17th, 2009 07:18 PM |
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| Has anyone ever seen a rabbit make tracks in one direction for that distance? Usually they stay nearer to cover and fodder and their track look more helter skelter. |
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