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Navigator
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Andy,
Please reply to this thread when you find it so people know you are available for questions about the photos and the case.
It would not be a good idea to name the park involved, and not the county either, so the sheriffs in that county don't get bothered by phone calls.
There are two different local gov offices involved here indirectly. Those folks would not appreciate us posting that location information publicly. If someone has a real need to know, then we can tell them.
If the sheriffs office and the park office are both willing write brief statements to contain whatever they want to say (such as, perhaps, "We don't know anything about those tracks or other sasquatch incidents in our jurisdiction," which is entirely possible.), and they make that brief statement available through their respective PIO's, then we'll identify them. But if we identify them before they are prepared to handle multiple frivolous inquiries by phone, then there's going to be at least two highly perturbed receptionists at those offices. We don't want that.
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AndrewP
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| Posted: March 11th, 2009 09:36 AM |
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I am present and will be watching for questions. The investigation of this area and the photos the witness sent me is still ongoing.
Andy P.
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Trax
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| Posted: March 11th, 2009 10:27 AM |
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where can we see these photos?
the truth is out there.... |
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Bossburg
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| Posted: March 11th, 2009 10:37 AM |
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Trax: As I told someone else we are just getting this set-up. When the pictures are posted and this section is complete, then it will make sense.
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AndrewP
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| Posted: March 11th, 2009 01:46 PM |
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Here are some basic measurements taken by the witness:
Length: 17.5 incehs
Width at ball: 9.5 inches
Stride length (heel to heel): 56 inches
Note that there had been some melting and obvious deterioration of the tracks by the time the photos and measurements were taken so the length and width are likely a bit larger than they were originally. The stride length should be accurate assuming that the prints deteriorated at the same rate.
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sschablin
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| Posted: March 11th, 2009 04:25 PM |
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Hi Navigator.I too will be available for some questions if need be.I will check this thread often as I just want to help.Thanks.
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AndrewP
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| Posted: March 11th, 2009 04:28 PM |
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In case everyone is wondering, sschablin is the witness who took the MN photos. 
Andy P.
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sschablin
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| Posted: March 11th, 2009 05:40 PM |
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Ooops!I should have added that I am the person who discovered these prints along with my friend D!
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ravellette
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| Posted: March 11th, 2009 06:07 PM |
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How old would you say/guess the prints were?
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sschablin
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| Posted: March 11th, 2009 06:22 PM |
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To say unscientifically within 2 weeks as there was no snow during the month of January,and significant melting during that month.The next snow fall happened sometime in the second week of Febuary with another heat wave after it.The discovery of these tracks was made on the 25 of Febuary,2009.Pictures were taken Febuary 26,2009.
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ravellette
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| Posted: March 11th, 2009 06:27 PM |
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There were actual toe impressions?.....I couldn't make any out.
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sschablin
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| Posted: March 11th, 2009 06:30 PM |
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ravellette,look at picture #3 will see what appears to be a "Big-toe" impression as well as some more contour to the other toes.
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ravellette
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| Posted: March 11th, 2009 06:37 PM |
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I see it now, Thanks
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sschablin
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| Posted: March 12th, 2009 12:31 AM |
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Let me start out by saying that some of the information is being withheld from my story as its still an ongoing investigation conducted by "D" and myself.I have submitted an official report as well,that too is being withheld for the same reasons.The tracks were found as night was coming in so we left in which to return the following morning.We took a series of 12 pictures including the layout of the area.When we arrived,it was very quiet for being dawn.We heard one "bird-chirp"as we headed down the trail-head.After being at the "Track-site" to photograph them for about 20 minutes,we heard what sounded like a "conversation" coming closer to our location from the East..Nobody showed up as they would have had to walk right passed us.Then about 2 minutes later,we heard the same type of "conversation" now coming from the Bluffs to the West-Southwest!We looked in the direction of these noises after each occured,which we saw nothing at either location.The distance that was covered to my best guess was 1/2 a mile.These vocalisations were 10-15 seconds long and were louder than a normal conversation but the words could not be made out.There is really only 1 way to this location,from where we heard the first "conversation" and we know there were no other vehicles in the park when we arrived.We got the strangest feeling we were being flanked,so we finished our evidence gathering and left the area,to find that noone was in the park when we left!I have since been there to follow up and found some X formations,tree bends and other unexplained formations,this is only the beginning of things to come I think my friends!!
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ravellette
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| Posted: March 12th, 2009 12:56 AM |
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So the X and bends were in a location you were at during the photos taken and they weren't there, you went back and they were?
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sschablin
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| Posted: March 12th, 2009 01:05 AM |
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They were found in the surrounding area of the park,but not too far from the track sighting.This is a vast area for one person to cover and I/We have only scratched the surface of it .
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a.allen63
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| Posted: March 12th, 2009 04:48 AM |
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sschablin, there appears to be a hair or thread in the bottom of the tracks, photos 2 and 3. is this significant do you think or did it fall off your gloves or something?
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Simplicity
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| Posted: March 12th, 2009 05:42 AM |
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sschablin, there appears to be a hair or thread in the bottom of the tracks, photos 2 and 3. is this significant do you think or did it fall off your gloves or something?
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Bottomish left of MN 3 ??
Looks like a Stitch of somekind or thread like you say, if we're looking at the same thing..
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a.allen63
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| Posted: March 12th, 2009 05:56 AM |
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yes thats the one. doesnt look compressed into the print so must have been dropped i guess, but sschablin would know.
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Tretiak
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| Posted: March 12th, 2009 12:57 PM |
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Interesting subject and pics. Did you count how many tracks there were? How far were you able to follow them? Were you able to define a starting and ending point to them? Is there anyway you could discount that, the tracks might have been left by a small animal leaping though the deep snow? Rabbit, fox, etc.
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sschablin
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| Posted: March 12th, 2009 03:13 PM |
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Refrencing to pics 2 and 3,what you are seeing appears to be forest floor growth coming up through the snow.Vine I think.There were a total of 6 tracks that were in a line.The area I found them was what would be a depression from run off, which would be lower than the surrounding area.The tracks surpentined through the small trees,Picture 1.the snow had blown in most of the tracks but an obvious track line to say the least.There were 12 impressions in the area,I took pictures of the better,more detailed tracks.I lost sight of the prints as the trail lead back up to higher,unprotected ground in both directions.As far as them being left by some other critter,I would have to say,anything is possible at this point.There is not enough supporting evidence either way,thats why this is an on-going investigation.Although there are obvious "Toe[s]" outlines in pics 1,2,and 3.I think we can rule out a rabbit or a fox.
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sschablin
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| Posted: March 16th, 2009 02:36 PM |
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Thurs day,March,12.Went to area where the snow tracks were found to gather more evidence.After being there for about 15 minutes,we heard a wood knock from the north and then a mimic of us laughing.5:41 PM,we were on a trail in the park when we heard a tremendous CRACK from the bluff, again from the north.For the next 30-45 minutes,there were a total of 6 more knocks from the opposite bluff starting from the east to the south and finalising in the west.We also heard some short vocalizations on our way down from where we heard the Crack which we thought was a tree break.Sunday,March 15.Andy P.a BFRO investigator and myself went there as he wanted to do a follow-up to the track sighting and the email I sent him from Thursday's encounter.We found some trails going through the woods and followed them.He referrered to them as "Big-boy Trails".What we found was quite amazing to me and something I have never seen before.It was a very large stick structure that was atleast 9 feet tall and he was able to get inside of it without any difficulty.I have the pictures of that as well as 3 more ,1 with me standing next to it,one with Andy standing off to the side of the frame,the other is of it alone.Crossing the "Big-boy" trail was a very well used "Deer-trail" which led right past the stick structure.Let me also add that on Thursday,the park was empty again.Sunday,however,the place was "Buzzing" with people,so there were not any audibles.Andy and myself went to the area where I and my friend heard the "Crack" come from,there was new breaks on a fallin tree but to say how fresh is undetermined.As I said before,this is still an ongoing investigation so I cant tell you its location at this time,sorry.I will keep everyone in the loop as more evidence is found.
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sschablin
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| Posted: March 18th, 2009 02:15 PM |
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Let me also add that on the "Big-boy" trail leading to the "stick-formation",we found a "Heal-print", a small branch twisted off the tree at 10 feet off the ground[Andy,correct that if I am wrong],Snail shells on the trail,and acorns everywhere ,especially in the Deer-trail and stick formation area.Along the Deer-trail,there were stratigicly placed trip hazzards and Clothes line obsticals right infront of the stick formation!My take on that is ,they were put there to slow-down the deer and to make the deer off-guard for easy capture.
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Andy
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| Posted: March 24th, 2009 05:39 PM |
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Sschablin:
Do you mean to say that the Bigfoots had possibly baited the deer with acorns?
And forgive me, but by "snail shells" do you mean the empty shells of terrestrial "garden snails"? Or the kind from streams?
Where would they come from at this time of year (because they should be hibernating)?
Were they cracked and empty? (As though eaten.) Or just smashed?
Also, did you think that the stick formation had been set up as a deer-snare? Was it sturdy enough? Was there any indication that it had been used in this way?
Sorry for so many questions!
Your wonderful photos really are worth 1000 words!
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Trax
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| Posted: March 24th, 2009 07:32 PM |
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sounds like the formation was an ambush blind to me. can we see pics of it?
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AndrewP
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| Posted: March 24th, 2009 08:34 PM |
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Sschablin:
Do you mean to say that the Bigfoots had possibly baited the deer with acorns?
And forgive me, but by "snail shells" do you mean the empty shells of terrestrial "garden snails"? Or the kind from streams?
Where would they come from at this time of year (because they should be hibernating)?
Were they cracked and empty? (As though eaten.) Or just smashed?
Also, did you think that the stick formation had been set up as a deer-snare? Was it sturdy enough? Was there any indication that it had been used in this way?
Sorry for so many questions!
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I don't think that we could make the call that the sasquatches placed the acorns at that location. What I noted is that there seemed to be more acorns in that area than elsewhere. I don't think we can rule out that the oak in that area was just more prolific than other places.
As for the snail shell, it was a stream snail. It had to have been carried up there as the stream is 100' below the ridge we were on. the shell was old however, and had likely been carried there last year before it snowed. What carried it is unknown. The shell was more or less intact. Coons would likely have eaten it right by the stream.
The stick structure is not likely a snare but could be a blind for hunting deer and for watching people on the human trail down in the valley. It is well camouflaged from below. The blind was large enough that I could easily go into it (though I did have to duck to get through the opening), and I am 6'3", 270 lb. I looked carefully for hair and other evidence and found none. By the state of the leaves in the blind, it appears that it hadn't been used since the oak leaves fell in late November.
As for pictures of the blind, I have many and am getting them ready to be placed with my report (which I am also preparing). I will inquire as to how I can post them here as well.
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sschablin
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| Posted: March 25th, 2009 12:42 PM |
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Just to add to Andy's post,My take is that where the stick formation was found,its a deer feeding ground.As a big-game hunter myself,thats the same area I would be likely to put a tree stand for deer hunting.If it were me and I was a sasquatch i would pick this area .The stick formation was sturdy and large logs,18-20 inches across were used in its construction along with "Roots",not vines for lashing some sticks together.It did not tell me it was a snare but the perfect ambush /observation sight.
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sschablin
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| Posted: March 27th, 2009 11:56 AM |
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Quote:
Andy wrote:
Sschablin:
Do you mean to say that the Bigfoots had possibly baited the deer with acorns?
And forgive me, but by "snail shells" do you mean the empty shells of terrestrial "garden snails"? Or the kind from streams?
Where would they come from at this time of year (because they should be hibernating)?
Were they cracked and empty? (As though eaten.) Or just smashed?
Also, did you think that the stick formation had been set up as a deer-snare? Was it sturdy enough? Was there any indication that it had been used in this way?
Sorry for so many questions!
Your wonderful photos really are worth 1000 words!
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sschablin
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| Posted: March 27th, 2009 11:57 AM |
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Andy,I sent you a PM
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sschablin
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| Posted: March 27th, 2009 10:28 PM |
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March 25 5:55 PM,Returned to the park again in hopes of finding some new-more conclusive tracks,was unable to do so.There has been ALOT of rain in this area of the state and I think "THEY"have plenty of water sources available to them in other areas than the stream running along the human trails.I did return to the "stick-formation however and new activity has been going on.It would seem they/it does not want anymore visitors there!Mainly ME! I marked the territory up near the structure prior to finding it,so I think I may have opened a can of worms with whatever is responsible for the construction of it!The surrounding area of the structure has had some changes,"trip-hazzard" logs once crossed the deer trail are now running parallel to it! "J", my friend said he was looking at something that was watching us from behind a dead fall tree while we were at the structure! He said it had relitively our same features only a much larger head and covered with hair! The only part he saw was the head looking through an opening of this downed tree! By the time we got each others attention,it was gone so I did not see it! There was a large portion of a tree that was laying across the "Big-Boy"trail on our first visit,"time of discovery of the structure", now has been busted down to a large pile of brush! Brush from another fallen tree was added to it as well!.I know this from the bare spots on it.Pictures were taken of the brush pile/road-block. The large portion of the tree that was there was the only obsticle we had to nagotiate through at the time of the first visit!Now its a pile of brush!North of the Structure,the Big-Boy trail continues and we decided to follow it to a junction of trails leading off in 4 directions.We took the west trail only to discover the steep decent into a ravine.Turned around and headed to the trail junction this time to continue North.Just when we turned to the North,We,Myself and friend "J" recieved a bone chilling quiver go through our entire bodies!He immediately was complaining about his hands hurting and freezing!My hands felt fine,I just could not shake the chill that was still very evident and lasted a few minutes! "J",was not as fortunate as his hands were bothering him for about 30 minutes. 15 minutes back to the car and 15 more in it! Nothing happened as we left the Big-Boy trail as we took the hint "We were not welcome there"!I shall report anything new as I will continue investigating out there,until then,Thanks for reading this and if you have any questions, dont be shy!!
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