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I would say Grace has been more consistent than many in her opposition to hunting.


Oh yeah...opposing some hunting is really consistent.
   
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Property, shmoperty- even if I had no problem with killing an animal, do you think I'm going to risk getting my face or chest kicked or gored in just because some scared-shitless deer is trashing the bedroom??!!


What's your rule? Above all, incur no risk?

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SO youd rather a owl go hungry than let natural process occur? Why do you feel you have the right to deny the owl his right to eat some of his natural prey? What if the owl has a nest of younguns that will now die because you deprived it the chance to feed the possum to its young?


She doesn't care. Her compassionate acts are entirely designed to make her feel good about herself. Which has to be a tough order to fill. She's quite the selfish bitch.
   
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I wonder what the chances are of the deer actually going out the bedroom window? for some reason I'm picturing this deer in a panic freaked out because it didn't know where it was and it was in an enclosed space with what might've seemed like no way out? I could be wrong seeing as the only dealings with deer I've had is trying to to hit them while driving to and from work.

I'm with Amy.. seems like the guy went in originally to help the deer and found out it wasn't going to be that easy.

As for the price of furniture.. I didn't read anywhere (maybe I missed it) that the guy killed the deer to save furniture.. I'm imagining that wrestling a deer to the death wasn't going to leave all the furniture in the room undamaged... again, I could be wrong.

By the way.. does anyone know what the chances are that this deer would've killed itself running into walls and stuff trying to get out?

So yeah.. anyway this reminds me. Did I ever tell you about the crazy deer that ran down our road at 2something in the morning?

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Tell us! Tell us!
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I care less about my property over a life - whether it be human or animal. That's just me. Property is replaceable.


When can I come down and raid your house of it's possessions?

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But no matter, I would definitely call someone pronto, providing they were only going to tranquilize it. In the meantime, I'd open all doors & windows & get out of the way.


Meanwhile, the deer flails around not only destroying its surroundings, but very likely injuring itself further in the process. Deer don't really understand the concept of "climb out the window" when they are panicked, you see.

So anyway, your compassion is entirely dependent on telephone calls to others, and keeping your own hands clean.

Big surprise, that.
   
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She doesn't care. Her compassionate acts are entirely designed to make her feel good about herself. Which has to be a tough order to fill. She's quite the selfish bitch.



Signs of her egotistical narcissitic emotional feel good about damning the rest of human society as cruel heartless bastards Eh RF.

I think rehabbing is a neat way of cleaning up on dead animals.
   
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When can I come down and raid your house of it's possessions?



The deer should be charged with break and enter plus property damage. Verdict::: Break its neck before its criminal activities include manslaughter.


Remember what Threadwell, the," don't harm the bears "nut said as his body was becoming bear chow. "Please!!!! Please!!! hit it with a stick a stick, hit it hard." Meanwhile the only person who could hit it with a big stick, was unsuccessfully trying to hide in the tent which was supposed to be perfectly safe in bear territory. She became bear chow to.

I think rehabbing is a neat way of cleaning up on dead animals.
   
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Meanwhile, the deer flails around not only destroying its surroundings, but very likely injuring itself further in the process. Deer don't really understand the concept of "climb out the window" when they are panicked, you see.



Exactly, and just as Origam had noted earlier...the chances of a deer deciding to go through the open window are pretty slim. The deer will most likely be in a panic and not seeing things clearly, especially after already colliding through a window and possibly receiving injuries.

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Meanwhile, the deer flails around not only destroying its surroundings, but very likely injuring itself further in the process. Deer don't really understand the concept of "climb out the window" when they are panicked, you see.



[start mindless headbobbing] Good points [/end mindless headbobbing]

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Tell us! Tell us!


The dogs started going nuts about 2amish.. I went out to see whats wrong with them and theres this deer hanging around in the holding pond next to our house. So I'm just standing there watching it and it decides it doesn't like to be watched so it took off up the street.. a couple minutes later it comes back and runs by our house and down the street and then went back up the street.. it was weird.

I think if I had let Taz off his leash he would've taken off after it.

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Wow....that must have been a sight to see.
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What if it bounded out the window, starting flipping around from either be scared or injured from the window and then ran into the street and caused a crash...injuring others?

I don't know about everyone else...but I'd feel guilty that I had the chance to stop something like that from happening and didn't. I'm not expecting everyone else to feel the same way...just noting that's how I would feel.

I think it might be different with a smaller animal that would maybe just run under something or away from people...but deer are so big and fast that they often become lethal weapons once they're spooked.
That seems like more of an argument to try to justify what the guy did after the fact. People risk running someone over pretty much every time they drive a car, but that doesn't stop most people from driving.

Now, I'll admit that a large wild animal tearing around the neighborhood could be more hazardous than your average driver. (Above, I argued that it seemed more risky to the homeowner and the deer to try to fight with it rather than let it find its way out. I suppose I'd have to think about how likely it would be that the critter would injure someone after I had allowed it to escape.) I still say there might be details in this story we don't have yet.

(Tom remembers all those statements he's heard from hunting advocates about how there are now more deer in the US thanks to the efforts of sportsmen, and evilly wonders if he should try to blame this incident on them...)
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"More" deer running around...doing what they do....is something different than a deer in a situation where it's been injured and is now confused and tearing through a neighborhood.

Perhaps it isn't fair for me to place the blame on the homeowner.... but I myself would feel might bad if I was the homeowner in that hypothetical. I would be almost certain that the deer wasn't just going to climb out the window and walk away calmy.


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Oh yeah...opposing some hunting is really consistent.


Some hunting? Talking out of your big dark asshole again?
  
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She doesn't care. Her compassionate acts are entirely designed to make her feel good about herself. Which has to be a tough order to fill. She's quite the selfish bitch.


Of course I feel good when an animal is rescued/recovered/released. And the opposite holds true when an animal canot be saved - I can't feel any worse. Funny how that works. I feel good, or I feel at my worst. So there goes your theory. Got any more stupid, obnoxious statements you care to fart out?
  
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Meanwhile, the deer flails around not only destroying its surroundings, but very likely injuring itself further in the process. Deer don't really understand the concept of "climb out the window" when they are panicked, you see.


A theory - one which is as subjective as mine. Deer could also jump right back through the window and run back into the woods. Afterall, he jumped THROUGH a window, you see.


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So anyway, your compassion is entirely dependent on telephone calls to others, and keeping your own hands clean. Big surprise, that.


Yes, telephone calls to the right people who are specifically trained and oftentimes paid to assist in situations such as these. Duh. What did YOU do for the Superdome animals left behind? Let me guess - fanned your balls or squashed a beer can on your head.

  
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Of course I feel good when an animal is rescued/recovered/released. And the opposite holds true when an animal canot be saved - I can't feel any worse. Funny how that works. I feel good, or I feel at my worst. So there goes your theory. Got any more stupid, obnoxious statements you care to fart out?


I can see his point, and I believe it is true for myself.

I think we do care about the animals well-being...but it would be very hard to do anything for another living being on a completely "selfless" level. Nearly everything we do is done because we want to do it...it makes us happy to see an animal rehabilitated and sometimes it makes us happy to see a suffering animal taken from it's pain.

I don't care about june bugs and so really don't spend much time trying to rescue them. Same thing with other types of icky bugs.

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A theory - one which is as subjective as mine. Deer could also jump right back through the window and run back into the woods. Afterall, he jumped THROUGH a window, you see.



Grace, I don't know a lot about deer behavior, but what I have heard countless times is that when a deer jumps through a window....it's purely accidental and not intentional in terms of "jumping through".

There have been accounts of deer hitting the *sides* of houses and buildings, too...not just glass windows. We just don't hear about them because there isn't any damage to report on it.

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Now here's something a bit different... (perhaps sometimes it's intentional..sheesh)


http://www.pjstar.com/stories/11050...RSSM0.049.shtml


"On the other side of the kitchen windows lies a courtyard filled with small trees. Shocked, Fults saw a deer wandering through the courtyard.

It was a buck, about 4 feet tall, with one point on each antler.

"It was young," she says.

The buck headed to the end of the courtyard and started whacking its antlers against a sliding-glass door.

Apparently, the buck got bored. It turned around and headed toward a kitchen window: a broad picture pane about two feet off the ground.

The buck began ramming its antlers into the window. He grew more determined, striking harder and harder."


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i'll tell you what i did with the animals left at the superdome grace. exactly what i was responsible for......NOT A FUCKING THING.

weren't my animals, wasn't me who put them there, didnt care one iota about those particular animals, and feel im more effective at controling the ecosystem i own and choose to be responsible for.

so because rf didnt do anything for the superdome animals (assuming he didnt) and because it was your pet cause of the month, dif that make him suddely less worthy of being able to speak on this subject? your even bringing that up was sounding like that of a self-horn-tooting braggert on the side of "hey lookit me, im such an animal saviour.....today possums yesterday worthless superdome animals...and tommorrow bengal tigers!".
   
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Some hunting? Talking out of your big dark asshole again?



Nah!!! He was reminding you of your ability to eat certain hunted animals Grace.

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I can see his point, and I believe it is true for myself.
I think we do care about the animals well-being...but it would be very hard to do anything for another living being on a completely "selfless" level.


Excuse me, but no shit. Didn't I concur with that same point Amy? However, the caviat is he claimed I only help animals which guarantee a happy ending since my efforts are entirely designed to make me feel good. What about those, and there are many, who don't make it? Still make me feel good?

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Nearly everything we do is done because we want to do it...it makes us happy to see an animal rehabilitated and sometimes it makes us happy to see a suffering animal taken from it's pain.


Uh, again, no kidding.

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I don't care about june bugs and so really don't spend much time trying to rescue them. Same thing with other types of icky bugs.


I save every icky bug except mosquitoes while they're sucking my blood.
  
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(Tom remembers all those statements he's heard from hunting advocates about how there are now more deer in the US thanks to the efforts of sportsmen, and evilly wonders if he should try to blame this incident on them...)


So you can see that having increased numbers of deer is directally proportional to the value they hold for hunters willing to support increased numbers of deer,. ARA proponents state they want animals left alone to the point that they would sit by and watch thier numbers plummet. Who is the real animal lover here Tom.

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i'll tell you what i did with the animals left at the superdome grace. exactly what i was responsible for......NOT A FUCKING THING.

weren't my animals, wasn't me who put them there, didnt care one iota about those particular animals, and feel im more effective at controling the ecosystem i own and choose to be responsible for.

so because rf didnt do anything for the superdome animals (assuming he didnt) and because it was your pet cause of the month, dif that make him suddely less worthy of being able to speak on this subject? your even bringing that up was sounding like that of a self-horn-tooting braggert on the side of "hey lookit me, im such an animal saviour.....today possums yesterday worthless superdome animals...and tommorrow bengal tigers!".


Yeah, he's a worthless bag of shit for not doing anything ever most likely. I enjoy helping animals and I believe you're a bunch of assholes because you do not and instead prefer to kill them. Many of you also seem to be in the habit of chastising people who DO help them.
  
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Nah!!! He was reminding you of your ability to eat certain hunted animals Grace.


You've been on ignore since end Sept. but I'll take this opportunity to tell you to shove it. I know exactly what he's inferring and I am opposed to lobster hunting, always have been and always will be. And for the last fucking time, he doesn't lobster hunt anymore. Boat is gone too. So eat shit & die.
  
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i'll tell you what i did with the animals left at the superdome grace. exactly what i was responsible for......NOT A FUCKING THING.

weren't my animals, wasn't me who put them there, didnt care one iota about those particular animals, and feel im more effective at controling the ecosystem i own and choose to be responsible for.

so because rf didnt do anything for the superdome animals (assuming he didnt) and because it was your pet cause of the month, dif that make him suddely less worthy of being able to speak on this subject? your even bringing that up was sounding like that of a self-horn-tooting braggert on the side of "hey lookit me, im such an animal saviour.....today possums yesterday worthless superdome animals...and tommorrow bengal tigers!".



Pretty accurate statement Wijim. The look at me force has a complete head lock on Grace. BTW saving the celebrity animals "look at my rescued pet " actions most likely mean a median drop in other shelter animal adoption numbers. Grace is to busy shouting look at me to reflect on all the abandoned animals that were in adoptable shelters that lost thier chance because someone wants a Katrina victim to say "look at what I rescued."'

I think rehabbing is a neat way of cleaning up on dead animals.
   
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Pretty accurate statement Wijim. The look at me force has a complete head lock on Grace. BTW saving the celebrity animals "look at my rescued pet " actions most likely mean a median drop in other shelter animal adoption numbers. Grace is to busy shouting look at me to reflect on all the abandoned animals that were in adoptable shelters that lost thier chance because someone wants a Katrina victim to say "look at what I rescued."'


Like the taste of shit I see.

  
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Could it be that most of those same people that "help" the animals are more'n likely ARA's? Like yourself, Grace. That is until those pesky pet limit laws designed to prevent cruelty, promoted by ARA's get in your way.
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