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Topie: Fire Mastery
November 14th, 2006 02:45 AM
Tyler H It's late - this may be poorly thought out as well.
Your thoughts?
November 14th, 2006 02:50 AM
D. Freel They are afraid of fire, and do not use it & only have 1 reaction to BIG FIRE: Run like hell.
November 14th, 2006 11:23 AM
captainkillmore When we burn our garbage pile, it gets quite large , around 8 ft high , about twice a yr, there seems to bo more activity close around. Almost like they come over to check out the fire and see what is going on, the glow can be seen for miles so I think it attracts em, at least from curiosity. As far as usage, noone I know around here has found any firepits or found any unattended fires on their properties. These lands are farm lands and lots of wooded areas so if there was a fire anywhere , someone will notice eventually, at least at night, and get concerned. Unless of course it was just a really small camp fire producing hardly any smoke or any glare.
November 14th, 2006 12:21 PM
Tyler H The Ostman story mentioned no evidence of fire, prior to his arrival, if I remember correctly; but when he did start a fire, they gathered around (for the coffee smells, vs the fire, likely) but there are also other reports of even smaller (younger?) ones poking around at least the hot ashes, if not actual fires. Haven't come across stories where fear was displayed - anyone else?
November 14th, 2006 06:42 PM
tghansen I have a problem with any furry animal and fire.....
Poof goes the weasel! :)
November 14th, 2006 11:18 PM
tazman I don't think they make fires, but i do think they are very curious about our fire.
November 14th, 2006 11:44 PM
Matt My vote is for "they are afraid of fire and do not use it". I don't really have any evidence to support this, but would there be any evidence if they didn't use it? It's like proving a negative. Since I'm in the "bigfoot-is-an-animal" (albeit extrordinary animal) camp, I couldn't really answer any other way. I think that if they are half as smart as I believe them to be then they'd be more likely to equate fire with pain than with something that could add comfort to their lives.

Regarding the use of fire, all we have in the way of evidence is witness testimony or the observations of those few individuals who have had the opportunity to observe them. There are many reports of finding possible shelters or nests but never, that I'm aware of, mention of evidence suggesting the prescence of fire in conjuction with the finding of the shelter.

Consider for a moment that most humans have some understanding of what is needed to start a fire the old fashion way but can't. For those who have started a fire without the help of matches or lighters, they will almost all agree that it is a difficult and laborious task. If sasquatch had this skill and used it I think we'd see other evidence demonstrating the kind of intellect and problem solving ability this would require. This would be true of lighter use as well.

November 15th, 2006 12:30 AM
trailrider They can light their own fires only by using our tools (lighters, matches, etc) is my vote.

I make this vote based on recent reports and stories i have read.

I also make this vote based on the fact I was out in the field this weekend leaving BIC lighters in plastic ziplock bags, with diagrams on how to use them to start a fire, and also a beautiful portrait of bigfoot by captainkillmore.

I attached these gifts to numerous stick structures, cache markers to assist with the forest people getting thru this winter in a more comfortable fashion. Also included in the care pacakages were combs.

So perhaps if they arent using fire already, they will be soon .... ha ha ha

I thought it would be more practical than ciggarrettes and whisky.
November 15th, 2006 12:39 AM
timidyshadowhider lets see, if they get Bics, and someone else leaves cigs and booze, lets hope we dont start seeing singed hair bigfoots carrying little brown bags. trying to roll leaves......lol
November 15th, 2006 12:47 AM
ddandrie I'll be curious as to weather or not they accept your gifts. Just think, now the big guys girlfriend can comb her hair and fix him a hot meal. LOL. Just a little humor, but I really am curious.
November 15th, 2006 01:16 AM
Andrew-ND-Ape I'll be the first to admitt, that NOBODY really knows for sure but..........if B.F. has the intellectual capacity to understand, use and control fire at will, irregardless of the ignition method,,,,, Then the elusive Apeman is probably just as likely to be seen one day smoking a cigar with a tophat on, while sunning himself by the lake.

I'd agree that if it were to happen, it would be through observation and immitation of campers flickkin BICs and puffin the whacky tobaccy.
November 15th, 2006 01:48 AM
Tyler H Why don't you just give nukes to Al-Quaeda, Trailrider??!?!
lol
juuust kidding -
Hope they don't burn their homes down - Trailrider's prints will be everywhere... could lessen the pine beetle problem though.

Seriously though, I would guess that a whiff of the lighter fluid would not be something they would enjoy - curious to hear how this turns out.
November 15th, 2006 07:07 AM
captainkillmore I checked my gifts the other day , i ended up taking them back. They had moved them a little, I found them almost in the same poosition i left them but the little mirror was actually a few inches farther wawy from the portrait then I left it. I left the packaging on it, the pricew tag was corner was lifted up a little at the corner , I left it that way , maybe glue catch a hair, and it did!! I have a 4 1/2 -6 inch , dark brown, rather fine hair that was stuck to the price tag, it was also pushed flat to the package back when i retrieved it. I used tweezers and put the hair, rprice tag and all , in a ziploc and am saving it , my first possible hair sample.
November 15th, 2006 01:13 PM
Tyler H nice!

possibly surmise they know it was something they might want to be wary of, and wanted to look like they had not been there?
The putting things back in place is interesting. Might encourage any to take pics of each setup they leave for the critters, and another pic upon retrieval, in order to be able to compare any slight changes.
November 16th, 2006 02:26 PM
AndrewP The one that came into our camp last summer left a very clear (and very large)knuckle print at the edge of our fire pit as it had played in the ashes.

November 16th, 2006 04:48 PM
Skippy the Sasqutch Oh, sorry AndrewP. That was me. I was looking for my contact lens after it fell into the fire pit. My bad.....
November 17th, 2006 01:38 PM
AndrewP
Quote:
Skippy the Sasqutch wrote:
Oh, sorry AndrewP. That was me. I was looking for my contact lens after it fell into the fire pit. My bad.....


Then you must have very, very large hands.
November 17th, 2006 02:54 PM
Ron Slay Tyler H, this is a good survey.

I voted the majority with one condition, though.

But, its true, we can only go on the reports and stories that come in about this.

I recollect some of the Native American stories about them marveling at fire, and especially, about cooked meat. I understand that, once they try it, they prefer it to raw.

I remember other stories of old days during really cold weather when a Squatch would come in and sit down beside hunters for a while and then leave.

Being in the "Sasquatch-is-a-type-of-human" camp, I believe that their curiosity or amazement of this phenomenon, or at least over how the humans can control it, is a sign of the threshhold of consciousness that they may be passing over.

I have read how they seem confused or bewildered at some of the things they experience with us. An example of this is the Russian woman with the walkman. The creature appeared somewhat saddened by his inability to fully understand where the sound was coming from and how it was happening. Could it have been that he wanted to understand this?

My only reservation on the survey choice is that I think that they just may have a little more fear of fire than we tend to believe.

But, here is another sign, to me, of their "human-ness": they are not TOTALLY afraid of it, and they don't COMPLETELY stay away from it as animals do.

IF...Sasquatch had the ability to make fire, it would seem to me that there would be more reports of it.

I don't think that they can make fire for themselves, yet. Maybe this is not so bad...They might find it to be an effective means of driving us off of their land.;)

From Ostman's description of the family that he was with, I can almost believe that some types could be taught how to make a fire. But, I hope this doesn't give any of you ideas the next time you meet one. :D

Later,

Ron
Later,

Ron
November 17th, 2006 03:00 PM
Mega Monkey captainkillmore,

Have you considered using fly paper or even the sticky paper that they use for mice? They would have to wrestle that thing off and probably a decent chance of getting globs of hair with the roots and all and most likely some real nice finger prints. All it would take is a slight touch to the paper to get it all started. Maybe nail the corners down to a stump so they don't go away with it stuck to their forehead or something.
November 17th, 2006 04:57 PM
tghansen Lol. imagine the video clip of that....
November 17th, 2006 05:15 PM
captainkillmore Lol that would be a good commercial, seeing a BF with flypaper wrapped around his head and looking like a mummy. I will ty that , that is a relatively cheap and possibly successful idea, someone else suggested running duct tape lines across trails , he said he got a couple of samples that way when he found the tape rolled into a ball , hair was all over inside of it. :D
November 18th, 2006 01:50 AM
Mega Monkey Maybe we just came up with a new Messin With Sasquatch ad?

December 16th, 2006 10:43 PM
Matt_H Those pictures you just put into my head , Mega Monkey and captainkillmore , are a riot!!

I remember a report I read somewhere about a hunter starting a fire and then leaving camp for some reason and coming back and finding the fire out and all the wood from the fire was spread out around camp having each been put out. This happened a couple times to the hunter so he finally left camp and came back around and spied on his own camp. The bigfoot returned and took the fire wood piece by piece out of the fire and swung them around until they went out and then repeat it till all fire is out. after that it left camp