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November 23rd, 2006 07:15 PM
Andrew-ND-Ape I was looking at some of the host-sites behind user:Levi's monkey sounds post and was attracted to the Gorilla info/pics. I know this isn't something "NEW" and everyone has realized it before but ..........Isn't there a HUGE parallel between B.F. and a Mountain Gorilla's life? And i mean -to the extent that they are basically the same thing except for ones walking uprite? The link below has pictures that-..... if I saw them on my trail cam/video in WA,, I would be saying "thats a Bigfoot family!"

<http://gorillafund.org/mountain_gorillas/life_facts.php#wherelive>

Would like to hear what BFRO Forum Members think are some Big Differences, besides the super obvious (e.g. "mountain gorillas are in Africa.....B.F. is N.American :) )

The Patterson & Freeman Films looks very Ape-like........but many sketches of sightings look like: "humanish steroid abusers"........... && others theorize "interbreeding" ( which reminds me of the horror movie "IT"

:eek:

November 23rd, 2006 09:31 PM
georgiatracker If you ever seen one up close they have alot of human features and alot of ape features . My opinion is they are some where in between, but i believe they share
a family life style like a gorilla . I always tell people that go hunting with me if you see one thier is probably another one you dont see so always move very cautious
and in a non provoking manner much the same way as they do gorilla's on tv. But
I do believe they are apes. But I am not a scientist so we will let them figure that out . I just enjoy looking for them . I just started taking camera this year. Didnt in the past because i didnt know the bfro existed and didnt think anybody would believe me anyway. But know I carry a camera we probably want see one just like
you see bucks before deer season but dont when you have a gun.
November 23rd, 2006 11:37 PM
captainkillmore I lost my reply , dang dsl sux out here. I agree with georgia here , they do seem to be a distant relative of both. They lok humanlike from the front but from the side their mouths jut out too far to be human, their jaws are wide , the eyes are inset under a jutting brow, the head seems to have a dip in the forehead , , sloping forehead up and back then it dips a bit then goes up and back some more . As far as I have haerd in this woods , they sound like a grp of mountain gorillas milling around and vocalizing for awhile then they move off, this must be a heavy used trail between a bed area and a food source. I f you look at the pic I did of Patty that I posted , patty could very well look more human like then expected and I did this pic clear then I did a fuzzy black and white to show how it matched the film almost perfectly. ;)
November 24th, 2006 08:43 PM
rootball66 I call them Mountain Monkey's after WV-06 expedition, they sure can move around like monkey's.they could move around on the side of a mtn like monkey,s move around in trees.
November 25th, 2006 07:58 AM
SwiftSpear Rootball: climbing trees? That would certainly be interesting...

As many others have pointed out, the physical differences are fairly signifigant to say the least. Behaviorally I really don't think they are very similar though... Granted this is based in large part on opinion formed around the limited evidence we have, but I tend to believe they are likely somewhat nomadic, which accounts for the relative difficulty of finding bedding grounds they are responsible for, also I think they aren't so much pack animals as family animals, they live in small family groupings for most of their life's. I think thier interactive behavior would also be somewhat higher level then that of a goriilla too, as I personally belive they are somewhat more intellegent. At least based on the ammount of tool usage they apparently have used, making knock caches and structures and what not, as well as the use of knocking as a communication method. They seem to have a trait to being mischievous, which one could almost equate to intelligent curiosity. Especially the very commonly observed behavior of throwing things, hell, children throw rocks at bees nests and what not for that exact reason. When my cats are just sitting around I often throw socks at them or something to make them do something interesting. It's DEFINITELY behavior above simple animalistic survival instinct. I'm not going to say they actually intelligently process information, but they at very least seem to learn by observation, which is why they likely provoke us to action when they encounter us, so they can observe our behavior. Also all the reports of them breaking and bending things we've left behind or structures we've put up then abandoned, while never actually being directly aggressive. Considering they are VERY likely at the top of the food chain in the wild, with really no competitors, they are an remarkably docile, and seemingly almost benevolent, creature.

It's hard to argue that they don't attack us souly as a method of preserving energy when they put so much effort into prodding us, stalking us, watching us and interacting with us when we go out into thier territory. I think it's very easy to assume we just aren't food, but they still apparently aren't prone to mean streaks.
November 25th, 2006 12:28 PM
Jake Levi SwiftSpear why dont you think that they process information ? All of the known Great Apes do. OTOH, I dont think rock throwing is to see what we will do, I think its territorial expression and wanting us to leave. Chimps do this, and so do Gorillas and Orangs, anger displays is found in all, most often by Chimps .

Right now I think its too early to make too much inferences on what little behavior as has been experienced.
November 25th, 2006 05:25 PM
rootball66 swiftspear,Not climbing trees just the way they move on the side of a mtn like it was nothing.One of our expedition memebers tryed to go where they where the next morning and it took him a long time to climb up just a little way's. the biggies moved around like it was flat ground. they had to be using their arm,s as much or more than their feet.I left the exp with a lot more knowledge about the way they can move than i had prev thought
November 26th, 2006 12:04 AM
SwiftSpear
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Jake Levi wrote:
SwiftSpear why dont you think that they process information ? All of the known Great Apes do. OTOH, I dont think rock throwing is to see what we will do, I think its territorial expression and wanting us to leave. Chimps do this, and so do Gorillas and Orangs, anger displays is found in all, most often by Chimps .

Right now I think its too early to make too much inferences on what little behavior as has been experienced.

I don't think they don't process... I don't assume they do. Squatch are capable of throwing large projectiles incredibly hard from several reports, yet they usually throw things like pine cones and small projectiles and aim for misses, at least I've never heard of anyone being hit by a seriously damaging projectile, even though it's VERY easily something they are capable of. I think rock throwing definitely is in many cases a territorial expression, but there's more to the sum of the projectile throwing reports we have then clearly territorial behavior. From what I've read, you're far more likely do get hurt in an encounter with a wild chimp then with a bigfoot, although the bigfoot would exert far less effort then the chimp would in utterly crushing you.
November 26th, 2006 02:49 AM
trailrider Rock and pine cone throwing for them can be a game too, or some of us would be dead by now. I was freaked, last trip when I heard that my buddy, RK, threw the first rock at BF, the return toss, by BF, wasnt intended to hit anyone either. They are playful creatures, some of this stick structure stuff may just be "art". In some ways they are child like, and also known to enjoy observing children play.

If BF was a primate - he would have been "discovered" long ago ...

A friend has a picture, abliet very poor, of one up a fir tree. I beleive they can climb branchless firs like the pacific islanders climb coconut trees. The rock climbers description of the climbing style would be "laybacking" - pull with the hands, push wih the feet, opposing pressure lifts you upwards. The long arms and articulated foot would also assist greatly with this.

Ability to climb doesnt make you a primate.


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November 27th, 2006 12:16 AM
SwiftSpear
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Ability to climb doesnt make you a primate.

Of course not, it's just an ability that I've never heard anyone attribute to BF before, although in alot of ways it makes some amount of sense, despite their weight BF have massive arms and you'd think that they might climb at least some. If their climbing ability was advanced it may even explain some of the single prints found that can't just be dismissed as hoaxes.
November 27th, 2006 01:29 PM
captainkillmore I may be wrong but arent there always , or almost always lots of big hardwood trees near bf sightings and possibkle playground and beds. It would seem to me that they like the big trees for cover and maybe a way to climb up and look out , or check for game etc; also , the young ones might like to play by climbing and swinging, like apes and chimps and orangs. I know my woods here is mainly hardwoods and big trees with no limbs below 16-17ft off the ground , prime climbing trees especially with trails method. Just an observation, might be relevant , may not be. :rolleyes:
November 27th, 2006 01:54 PM
Tyler H tidbit from the Philadelphia zoo:
"Gorillas live primarily on the ground. They spend only 5-20% of the day in trees, whereas chimpanzees spend 47-61% of the day above the ground and orang-utans almost 100%. But gorillas do like to climb in order to play or to harvest fruit. Almost always they climb quadrupedally; only very rarely they brachiate or jump from branch to branch.
Silverback males don't often move above the ground because of their great weight. But even they will climb high into fruiting trees if the branches can carry their weight."

Again, we may see tree climbing in evidence somewhere between these primates, and humans - but yep, it would be largely speculation to guess at the extent, at this point.

PS - In the area of my sighting, there would have been VERY few trees suitable for them to climb.