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March 15th, 2008 11:03 AM
Walt Guys and gals i am somewhat taken back by a documentary called BIGFOOTVILLE i watched on tv last night 3/14/2008. it took place in south eastern Oklahoma and was made up of a group of individuals part of which was a tv reporting crew as well as some witnesses to a previous class A sighting if i remember correctly. One of the witnesses who experienced the class A sighting was very scared and only returned with the film crew under the coaxing of a colleague.
The thing that bothered me was the fact that one of the guys in the group had a handgun with him and decided to unlaod a few rounds into the direction that they believed that they saw something.
This took place in the darkness and what the heck could he see,even with the tv crews lighting, that he would want to shoot at, at night. This was not a self defense action. He just cocked his gun and popped off a few rounds. He couldn't see what if anything he was shooting at. And if he could he should have identified it. Now to me when you shoot blindly at something without identifying who or what it is..is shear stupidity. And if it was a sasquatch it could have attacked the group and reaked havok with them. If there was more than one squatch...well i would hate to think of the outcome...squatch 5 humans 0.
This guy was very unprofessional and though he may not have broken any laws he certainly lacks common sense and smarts in the outdoors arena. This is a guy that i would not want as a hunting companion. Well on second thought maybe i would...that way i would know where he's at and not shooting blindly at me..catch my drift.
If anyone else saw this documentary what are your comments regarding this particular person and their actions.

Best regards
Walt
March 15th, 2008 11:16 AM
Eric Squatcher Hey Walt,
No worries, there were no Squatches harmed in the making of that TV program. LOL
For a full recap go to the Upcoming TV programs section
where there are a few threads on Bigfootville. Here is one:

http://s2.excoboard.com/exco/thread.php?forumid=124825&threadid=803803

:)
March 15th, 2008 11:46 AM
TexBFRO Walt
Actually I know that gentleman he is a or is a former police officer from the Tulsa Metro Area...............and yes very dumb very dumb.....................one reason no guns on expeditions........
March 15th, 2008 11:54 AM
Walt TexBFRO..Troy... i remembered someone in the group was a police officer or former police officer but i wasn't sure if it was the guy doing the shooting. If he is in fact current or former law enforcement then he should be cognizant of the fact that what he did was way out of line. Me thinks he needs to go back for remedial fire arms training.

Best regards
Walt
March 15th, 2008 12:06 PM
Bill Boqs Guns are very unforgiving; the worst mistakes you can make with them can never be un-made. Picture this: a group of people in the woods, at night, dispersed to various locations, some stone-cold silent, some whispering, others making knocks and a few doing screams and whoops. Everyone's nervous, excited and just a little bit twitchy. . . now put a gun in someone's hands. Not a good idea. Add to that the fact that in the modern annals of the Great Squatch Hunt there's no significant history of squatch-on-human lethality or violence (not counting rock throwing and threat displays) and you can begin to understand the BFRO's no kill/no harm policy. Most of us should find Paul Freeman's experience instructive: for years, he carried a gun when doing his squatch hunting but never saw a single animal -- until he left it at home.
March 15th, 2008 12:09 PM
TexBFRO I agree I agree...........
March 15th, 2008 12:44 PM
Walt Bill i agree. Guns in the hands of someone like this guy makes the guy dangerous. Good way to provoke a Squatch attack. For that matter even his companions should get on him for stupidity. They can 86 him from further group activities.

Best regards
Walt
March 15th, 2008 01:59 PM
Rachel L I saw that show a long time ago, and thought the same thing - how stupid! What if it wasn't a BF after all? Could have been a person. I think he was showing off for the cameras....."I'm a big tough guy with a gun watch me shoot it". Dumb.
March 15th, 2008 02:13 PM
Andy Walt:
I am the biggest gun nut; my gun safe overrunneth, so to speak...

But I saw that episode too, and I was HORRIFIED that anybody would take what amounted to a "sound shot". I don't care how scared the guy was---if you don't see and identify your target clearly, then it's not your target.

BillB. nails it: If you make a fatal mistake with a gun, it's a forever mistake. No second chances for the person or animal you shot "by mistake."
March 15th, 2008 03:26 PM
Bossburg Not siding with this guy, but I do remember reading in one of the bigfootville threads (there's a bunch) that he shot into a stump. I agree with all the reasons given for not allowing firearms on an expedition.

Bossburg
March 15th, 2008 04:51 PM
herbmaven Idiot thing to do. The attitude behind the behavior is...what?...ignorant at best? What it is in our genes that makes us do stupid things like that? Worse, the film director included it for the audience...he shares the stupidity award.

I am soooo glad BFRO expeditions bans them. Good choice!
March 15th, 2008 06:16 PM
Armydude The funny thing was even after the guy shot into the woods - they got a rock thrown into the back of their truck, so I would say the gunshot didnt scare them off - probably just piss them off.
March 15th, 2008 07:50 PM
Mercury Yep...And if ANY of the old time reports are true, it hasn't worked at real well for those who shot at/hit a bf with a firearm. Kinda stupid thing to do for ALL there, let alone the one idiot who pulled the trigger.
March 15th, 2008 08:14 PM
jimws Ok, I can top this one. Did you watch "Is it Real"? It's on National Geographic. The show attempts basically to debunk. They were in Texas following two people on a bigfoot hunt near Cato Lake.

One of the people declares she is pro kill so as to help with bigfoot's conservation. Now, go figure that one out.

But the narrator has a great line. At the conclusion of the hunt as dawn approaches, the narrator states, "Well bigfoot didn't make an appearance tonight, maybe he thought better of it to sacrifice himself for the good of his own conservation." Thought that was hysterical.

I am all for people going out on bigfoot hunts looking for solid evidence, but how about they put out some quality trail cams and come back in a month. The trail cam has a better chance of spotting bigfoot than some fella flashing his spotlight on anything that goes "Boo" in the night.
March 15th, 2008 09:48 PM
Walt Hope this guy doesn't show up for an expedition. He's lucky all he got was a rock thrown into the back of the truck and fortunate that bigfoot...if there was one there...didn't turn that gun into a suppository. Wonder what he would have done if bigfoot snuck up behind him and whispered in his ear to not do that again.

Walt
March 15th, 2008 10:27 PM
Clindsay It was very poor judgement on his part to fire into an area without any regard for what was out there. In his defense, he went back to an area that he had the bejesus scared out of him. While I wouldn't advocate that path to get over your fear, I think he was trying to exorcise the demons from the previous trip than anything else. The last thing he was doing was trying to impress any of the camera crew or the journalist. They should have known better to take a guy with that much fear back to a place that he was clearly not ready to go back to. Plenty of blame to spread around here. Cut the guy a little slack.
March 15th, 2008 11:15 PM
Walt Craig...i understand your concern but the guy that fired the shot was a police officer or former police officer...he should have known better and i don't think it was the same guy that had the bejeezus scared outta him on the previous trip...plus he didn't fire the shots in self defense....he wasn't scared and wasn't responding to a threat. He appeared very calm and just cocked his weapon and fired in the general direction of the activity without verifying what he was shooting at.In my book ...no excuses...i had a fellow hunter fire his pistol out of the cab of a truck , at a porcupine, after i told him not to do so...but it was his truck so he could do as he pleased....my ears rang for two days...i got out of the truck...said a few expletives to him and road back with 2 other hunters in their truck. If his actions are tolerated next time he might hit something or someone.

Just my thoughts and opinion.
Walt


March 15th, 2008 11:22 PM
Clindsay Walt,

I need to you tube it again. The one that I saw had two guys taking the journalist back to where they had camped and had their experience. I was thinking that one was a former cop in this episode also, but to be honest, I don't remember any shots being fored. THere was an insance where they had rocks thrown at them. Might be where I am getting my info crossed. My bad. Thanks for setting me straight.

Craig
March 16th, 2008 12:05 AM
tacomajoe Hmmm Pro kill for conservation... OXYMORON? Well kinda. The one thing i reaspect the most about the BFRO is the NO FIRE ARMS AND NO KILL policey on expiditions. Although pictures will never be solid evidance a combination of pics, foot prints, feces, hair, finger prints, and DNA will prove they are an unknown species.
March 16th, 2008 03:33 AM
itsoutthere I also saw "Is it real?". It made me sick when they talked about killing one. Why kill? If they insist only a body will do, Why can't they use one of the darts that they use with bears? Is there a reason why they can't?
March 16th, 2008 12:22 PM
Andy I would say that using a tranquilizer gun is a pipe dream.
You really have to know what you are trying to knock out, and how much it weighs, what it's reaction is likely to be.

Few drugs work instantly.
The ones that do are not the ones you could easily put into a projectile syringe, expecting an IM shot.
You'd probably have to track an animal you shot, and that could be a nightmare, considering that BFs move so quickly.

And, the one vet tranquilizer I can think of that gets used on biggish animals, I wouldn't give to a sentient creature! It would be cruel (never mind they sell it on the streets).

March 16th, 2008 02:44 PM
padams Couple of weeks ago, my hubby and I were watching that "Chupacabra, Terror on the Seas". Bad acting. Anyway, they have the creature in a cage it can move around in, and it gets out. The discussion between us moved to BF. How would you sedate and transport one? Just the size of the xtra-tight box to keep it from moving around would be extreme. let alone packing one out from whereever you managed to tranq one.

But back on the subject of "sound shots", I have seen that episode, and the guy was terrified. He never should have been drug out there again, and NEVER should have been allowed to have a weapon! Many times, we have been elk hunting and have had to move much further down the mountain because we have come across idiots who "got off some sound shots late last night, hyuck, hyuck". must have been between shots of cheap whiskey. :D
March 16th, 2008 04:12 PM
Jake Levi
I saw that one, have heard several debunkings on it, inc luding the big Indian guy. But, a couple points need to be made, this wasnt any research orgs, just a couple guys who'd had what they believed was a sighting,& a radio/tv reporter. The lights were supposed to be nightvison lights.

Can you say it group of klutzes?

Now, ref guns, I agree with the statements by the moderators about no guns on expeditions, with untrained people its an invitation to disaster. If it was a Vietnam recon team I'd have different feelings. But they arnt so I dont.

As far as guns go in the woods, all my life I have, that or bear spray which I can also use. The founder of this little merry band of minstrels carrys one when in the woods, or has, so they arenot as some would represent, but in the hands of the untrained or even the 'out of their element' as the shooter in the video was they are an extra major danger. Who needs it.
March 16th, 2008 04:58 PM
ransr too bad barney didn`t shoot himself in the foot, i`m sure that would have made national t.v.
March 24th, 2008 08:59 PM
DentonD Folks, this was TV. I would be very hesitant to accept that this is REAL and UNSCRIPTED. The actions of the shooter are just what I would expect a writer to put in a script. On TV, you NEVER see a firearm used by an armed citizen in a safe and responsible manner---even though hunting is one of the safest outdoor activities. I've been reading the reports, and very, very few people carring a gun have fired it at a bf. Those that have are ususally frightened homeowners who believed they were protecting their family from some sort of predatory monster. Almost without exception, hunters have declined to take a shot when they didn't know what they were looking at.

I think it all adds up to a cheaply-made, sensationalized fraud.
March 24th, 2008 09:15 PM
Derek.Felber I've watched Bigfootville more than once...

Dr. Tuttle, wasn't that his name from Univ of Chicago, is an expert because he claims that he is an expert on BF. Knowing a lot about existing primates doens't mean you know jack and $hit about new primates. I wonder what his "opinion" is on the Bile or the Orang Pendek? Whatever his "opinion" we all know he'd present that opinion as fact as if it was God's good wisdom.

The guys shooting a gun, that didn't bother me. I fingered they were packing Glock 17s or Glock 22s and it was shown for effect. Now if they had night vision scopes and high powered rifles (338 mag +), then I'd be a little more concerned.

Derek
March 24th, 2008 10:35 PM
Matt_H I've had Bigfootville on my DVR for a while now... I actually have a huge amount of bigfoot television programs. I have Bigfootville, all the MonsterQuest and Sasquatch : Legend Meets Science to name a few..

I like the big Indian guy... Especially when he stops and asked the guy with the camera if he can smell it.. If he can smell the stink... I laughed my butt off for a while after that, lol....

Although the other scientist in the MonsterQuest with Dr. Meldrum is a riot...
The guy spends a night in the woods in a tent in the middle of nowhere..... He does this alone and acts like it was no big deal.... The next night, they have a rock thrown at them while around the campfire and he starts talking about barracading himself in the cabin and acting all scared and stuff... He acts this way with at least another 4 or 5 people around him...
Dr. Meldrum didnt seem to worried.. He seemed as cool as a cucumber...that other guy though...He was a riot...

And the guy with the Mohawk....whats his deal?? He's priceless all in himself..
March 25th, 2008 01:26 AM
snoots TV and hollywood..i believe about .001% i see on the wasteland we call TV..i feel the same way about monster qwest..guy does fine alone in the woods the nite before and next nite is squealing like a pig over a rock tossing...sensationalism if you ask me....bigfootville with the guy shooting may or may not be of concern.we have no idea what the producer wanted done for affect...far as guns go on hunts...its your expedition and your rules..personally i never enter the woods unarmed..however i would agree no guns on the expeditions..bigfoot is not at the top of the food chain..we are-i refuse to go down the path of what i feel needs to be done to end this debate once and for all...lets just say some hunter is going to make the discovery...tin hat/rant off
March 25th, 2008 03:40 AM
wildmanmarty
Quote:
Andy wrote:
I would say that using a tranquilizer gun is a pipe dream.
You really have to know what you are trying to knock out, and how much it weighs, what it's reaction is likely to be.

Few drugs work instantly.
The ones that do are not the ones you could easily put into a projectile syringe, expecting an IM shot.
You'd probably have to track an animal you shot, and that could be a nightmare, considering that BFs move so quickly.

And, the one vet tranquilizer I can think of that gets used on biggish animals, I wouldn't give to a sentient creature! It would be cruel (never mind they sell it on the streets).




All very good points. You also need to get fairly close to the target. BF isn't likely going to cooperate with your agenda.
March 25th, 2008 03:58 AM
davidib stupidity in the field to me is when i see people leaving garbage behind.
Especially when there pockets are as big as half the leangth of their leg.
Or letting your dog loose and the damn thing spooks the 7 point I was about to put an arrow in. To me these are prime examples of stupidity..
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