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October 29th, 2010 03:27 PM
Roboron Larry Newman and I investigated this report and I have never been more convinced of a Class A than this one.
http://www.bfro.net/GDB/show_report.asp?id=28210
October 29th, 2010 03:39 PM
timba ...bank cameras could yield much info, if they were on.
October 29th, 2010 03:44 PM
Roboron Alas they were not
October 29th, 2010 06:27 PM
kirock Another one where it runs on all fours. Fascinating.
October 29th, 2010 07:56 PM
Andy Yes, just exactly what I thought--running on all 4 legs--and then standing up.

No known animal does that.
October 29th, 2010 11:19 PM
Roboron I honestly felt by talking to the witnesses and Larry concurred, that when it first ran on all fours in a loping manner,that it was in flight mode. But when the witnesses began to pursue it , the squatch went from flight to get ready to fight mode and stood up to display it's size to a possible threat while still making it's retreat.
October 30th, 2010 03:09 AM
eciccone how interesting, I'm naturally pretty skeptical about cases where a bigfoot is seen in a commercial area. How civilized is this area? Is this a case of a sasquatch territory shrinking because of encroachment from humans, causing food sources to become scarce? That's the only explanation I can think of to force a sasquatch to come so close to civilization and eat of a trash can. Seems like desperation?
October 30th, 2010 06:49 AM
Roboron Actually this is a small town that being said,I have long theorized that there will be two types of squatches. Primitives who lives in the great forests of America and Canada, that hasn't run across humans but maybe a few times. Then you have your suburban squatches that not only has learn to adapt but like deer,coyote,raccons,and foxes, has learn to thrive on the outskirts of civilization. And far as food sources being scarce, there is more food resources now than there was a 100 yrs. ago. These animals are opportunist, they smell it, they see it , they taste it, and then they eat it . Without using up alot of energy.
October 30th, 2010 01:33 PM
Lepton1
Quote:
eciccone wrote:
how interesting, I'm naturally pretty skeptical about cases where a bigfoot is seen in a commercial area. How civilized is this area? Is this a case of a sasquatch territory shrinking because of encroachment from humans, causing food sources to become scarce? That's the only explanation I can think of to force a sasquatch to come so close to civilization and eat of a trash can. Seems like desperation?


Using Google Earth street view you can see the location at : 36ļ 30' 56.03"N 94ļ 36' 40.83"W

This is a country town, and the sighting is right off a creek.

If you haven't been reading the news lately, the berry and nut crops have failed miserably. That's why there is a spate of bear/human encounters in urban and semiurban areas right now. I've read this bit of information in a number of stories of bear encounters this late summer and fall and it seems to be widespread from the western states through the midwest and east coast. The failure of these key crops are forcing bears to go after available food sources in garbage cans, pretty much all there is right now.

Biggies likely follow the same foraging patterns as bears. They are hungry. Normal high calorie food didn't produce this year due to the late growing season.

They're hungrier than normal, bordering on desparate to be this close to humans. But it makes sense if you consider how the key calories this season are not there. Pretty soon they'll be down to eating bark, roots, or whatever they can hunt in the winter.

The location and activity at the time of this sighting makes sense.
October 30th, 2010 02:58 PM
Gudrun I have another theory as to why this Bigfoot may initially have been running on all fours and this may sound a little too far fetched for some of you, but they have had plenty of time and opportunity to study our behaviour and reactions to certain things: how about the possibility that he was trying to look like another animal, let's say a dog or bear in an attempt to fool those two guys and then gave up this ruse after they got very close?

Gudrun
October 31st, 2010 08:38 AM
Andy Gudrun:
No, that doesn't sound too far-fetched at all...it's a really interesting idea.

Lepton1:
Our mast crop (tree nuts) are doing great up here. Plus I've never seen so many mushrooms.

Do you know the extent (geographic area) of the berrie and nut bust?
October 31st, 2010 09:23 AM
Roboron Andy,
I was wondering about the same thing and the deer population in that area ? Don't even worry about that. I will say this, the domestic waterfowel that lived in that creek alongside the town for years. As of this late summer, they're gone.No blood, no feathers, just gone.
October 31st, 2010 10:03 AM
ccallahan What about the roadkill situation...is there any...or just stains? Good theory Gudrun. Maybe some squatches get on all fours to present a smaller target to be seen (a more elusive getaway tactic maybe), but I believe that they know human hunters kill animals on all 4s. On the other hand, the flight or fight instinct is built in and hard to mentally overcome in stressful situations. An old anothropology professor that I had believed that one of the reasons we became bipedal was because we had to stand up on 2 limbs in order to see over the African savannah grasses to look for predators. Maybe some squatches reverse this idea (when they do not want to be seen) because they know they are the biggest residents in their neighborhood.
October 31st, 2010 12:51 PM
YYZ Maybe the young still walk on all 4 sometimes and it's not until adulthood that they walk upright all of the time.
October 31st, 2010 01:14 PM
Roboron No there many reports of adults on all fours, and from what I understand they are very fast when the lope like that. From the photos we have seen these animals are tall but their body height is mostly all torso. I'm 6'3" but my inseam length of my pants is only 32". (a sprinter I am not.) So I can understand in a way, that with their long arms and primate likeness on why sometimes they run on all fours. I don't take much stock in the Carter farm reports but 1 thing that drew my interest on the Nat. Geo. special, was when that Russian Prof. exibited how they(squatches) hunt deer and it was on all fours.
October 31st, 2010 03:45 PM
Navigator


Larry,

Yes, this critic (see msg. below) doesn't know very much. He obviously watched the documentary wherein Grover Krantz points out the Patty in the PGF turned her upper body to look behind her, rather than looking over her shoulder.

Some people understood that to be an anatomical limitation with sasquatches, as if they are unable to look over their shoulders ... and therefore a witness must be lying if he/she claims to have seen one look over its shoulder.

Grover may have believed that "the chin would run into collarbone" if Patty tried to look over her shoulder, but it could just as easily be that Patty merely appeared that way in that film sequence because of the unusual way she was carrying herself at that moment.

Do humans have different postures when they are fleeing in fear from something ?? They sure do. Humans have defensive postures in those situations. I speak from experience when I say that humans who are walking away from a crazy guy with a gun on a street corner in LA, will walk slighting hunched over, keeping their heads down. Their knees will be more bent, as they instinctively try to make themselves smaller targets.

Newman should ask the critic to try a little experiment: Walk away from someone at the approximate angle you see in the PGF, and imagine that the person he is walking away from is a sniper who might decide to shoot him. He must walk away in a hurry, and be slightly hunched over, trying to keep his head down. Then he should quickly look behind himself to see if the sniper has lifted his gun barrel, or is pursuing him.

When you look behind yourself while trying to keep your head down you won't look over your shoulder the way you normally do, but rather you will turn your whole upper body to look behind you, quickly, and then you will keep on going in that protective posture.

As Roger Patterson ran toward the sasquatch with his 16mm movie camera, his partner Bob Gimlin, sitting up high on his horse, pulled out a .306 rifle and got it ready to shoot. It would have appeared to Patty that these two humans were armed and getting ready to shoot her.

MM


--- On Fri, 10/29/10, Schafer, Darrel <dschafer@parkeronline.org> wrote:


From: Schafer, Darrel
Subject: Report # 28210 - BFRO Investigator Larry Newman
To: "'Contact@BFRO.net'" <Contact@BFRO.net>
Date: Friday, October 29, 2010, 11:19 PM


" . . . it then looked at them over its left shoulder."


Mr. Newman

The above statement from your (investigation?) is an impossibility for a sasquatch due to the head sitting low on the torso and having a very short (bull) neck. The chin sits lower on the chest below the level of the shoulder. Anyone with any knowledge of this animal knows that a sasquatch must turn its
entire upper body to look behind itself.

This is either a hoax, or you didnít do your homework, or you didnít ask all the pertinent questions to clear up a possible mis-statement.

Are we learning yet?

Darrel Schafer
October 31st, 2010 10:22 PM
Taxfree I'm convinced on this one. How many hoaxers will attempt a hoax and then say there are cameras everywhere to support their sighting. Also the statement about flight and fight was resonating. Keep up the good work Roboron!
October 31st, 2010 11:01 PM
JimmyMac I think a squatch could move faster/cover more ground on all fours vs. two legs. Plus their arm length would accommodate this. I think it would be more natural this way.
October 31st, 2010 11:20 PM
mitchw Doesn't the anatomy of BF also support the four legged locomotion? Think about descriptions of its torso and arms; always really built. If an animal is going to propel itself with its arms, then its going to be built. Second, I recall drawings and verbal description of BF hands as having broad meaty palms with shorter fingers as compared to homo sapiens. It would seem that moving on your hands is facilitated by fingers that stay out of the way and palms that can support plenty of weight.
October 31st, 2010 11:47 PM
YYZ If the fastest human runs 28 mph then it's safe to guess that these things are running into the upper 30's range. Being an erect animal, it seems to me that running on all 4's would not be as efficient or powerful and would be somewhat awkward. My assumption is that it runs on 4's as a defensive move - to stay low and reduce visibility from us. Or it stays low while hunting to again, keep out of sight. Like everything else, it's all conjecture but fascinating to discuss.
November 1st, 2010 12:14 PM
BethinFL This was a VERY good report! Thank you for posting it, and good job Ron and Larry.
November 1st, 2010 05:39 PM
cabbagerabbit
Quote:
Andy wrote:
Gudrun:
No, that doesn't sound too far-fetched at all...it's a really interesting idea.

Lepton1:
Our mast crop (tree nuts) are doing great up here. Plus I've never seen so many mushrooms.

Do you know the extent (geographic area) of the berrie and nut bust?


Andy, I did find an article that provides a bit of an answer to your question. The article headline sums it up: "Poor wild berry crop brings hungry bears into close proximity with humans in Western states". Here's the link for anyone interested in reading the article:

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/unleashed/2010/09/poor-wild-berry-crop-brings-hungry-bears-into-close-proximity-with-humans-in-western-states.html
November 1st, 2010 06:00 PM
Bossburg Although the article makes a rather 'blanket' statement for all western states, that is not true in every location. In NE Washington I've heard nothing but comments about bumper mushroom and berry crops. When officials are quoted saying 'there have been (insert # here) bear problems this year' they need to compare it to each of the last several years. Maybe this year there are 44, but last year there were 42. Many times their comments may be a factor but not necessarily the only reason.
November 2nd, 2010 05:24 PM
cape6000jkg
Quote:
Navigator wrote:



Larry,

Yes, this critic (see msg. below) doesn't know very much. He obviously watched the documentary wherein Grover Krantz points out the Patty in the PGF turned her upper body to look behind her, rather than looking over her shoulder.

Some people understood that to be an anatomical limitation with sasquatches, as if they are unable to look over their shoulders ... and therefore a witness must be lying if he/she claims to have seen one look over its shoulder.




It could be due to the fact that different people describe the same events with different words. Even with Patty turning her torso to look back, she was looking back past or over her shoulder. Some people might say that she looked over her shoulder. Same words for a human turning their head to look over his/her shoulder, just a different action. I too would not disregard a report just because it says that the sasquatch looked over it's shoulder.
November 4th, 2010 01:54 PM
garythfla One thing I thought of....the way that the sasquatch was bending into the can to eat made me think of the way the creature in the Jacobs photos is bending down to get the salt lick. The creature in the Jacobs photos look slike he would have no problem bending into a trash can to get something to eat.
November 4th, 2010 03:06 PM
mitchw Here's another report of BF rummaging in the trash for food. One of my faves.

http://www.bfro.net/GDB/show_report.asp?id=23018
November 4th, 2010 09:45 PM
fishnbrett Garythfla brought up a good point that also went through my mind when I read this report. This report was actually the first time Ive heard of a Bigfoot running on all 4s and made me somewhat skeptical of the story at first until I looked at Jacob's photos and realized that the BF in the picture was on all 4s as well.

Now weather it is or not, when I look at Jacobs photo I see a juvenile BF. so in my mind im starting to thing that maybe the younger ones are on all 4s more then as they grow up they adapt to walking up right all the time. I just feel that if BFs were on all 4s a lot then we would have more reports like that.
November 5th, 2010 12:04 AM
YYZ I thought jacob's was proven to be a bear. Didn't Meldrum say that too?
November 5th, 2010 01:07 AM
robday The Jacob's photo has never been proven to be anything.
November 5th, 2010 04:29 AM
PBYodeler garythfla

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