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November 8th, 2010 05:22 AM
Navigator Got this message last night:

From: Jessica and Joe Turfa
Subject: Late night repeated high pitched howling at least 30-40 times.


I just got back from the Emigrant Wilderness. On Friday night, November 5, 2010. My buddy and me were camped at Gem Lake. This one got me out of my bag, ski pole and headlamp at the ready. Unlike anything I have ever heard.

My friend and I have 15 yrs. of back-country experience.



Editor's Note (Matt Moneymaker):

There are indeed bigfoots in this general area at this time of year. Take my word for it. Heard them myself.

Also, the famous "Sierra Sounds" recordings from the 1970's were obtained within 10 miles of Gem Lake.

From the description of the recent vocalizations, I would guess a squatch is trying to bring together other squatches from the backcountry. Could be because deer are herding up near Gem Lake, or could be to call together connected families before descending to lower elevations in advance of the snows.

The High Sierra backcountry can catch waist-deep snowfall in one night, making it a very risky place to be in winter, unless you're out from the interior of the Emigrant backcountry and hanging near the rim, where you can quickly descend the western slope to warmer temperatures.

It's anyone's guess as to where these squatches go in winter, after they've come down out the Emigrant Wilderness. They probably don't remain in the high country year-round, because none of the other large animals do. They all descend to lower elevations to get out of the snow.

There's little risk in posting this info publicly because the Emigrant Wilderness is too difficult for fellows like Biscardi to get to. He won't be able to call a press conference there either ...

These photos will give you an idea of the scenery of the Emigrant Wilderness: Photos and Map - Hike to Gem Lake

Ya gotta love that free iPhone app called "EveryTrail." Apparently it allows you to photograph your hikes and automatically pin the photos to an interactive map.

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November 8th, 2010 11:37 AM
CharlesL Matt:

Thanks for sharing the "Every Trail" app. Being the technology-challenged guy I am, I never knew something like that existed. What a great way to document a backpacking or hiking trip.
November 9th, 2010 08:11 AM
cmknight Matt,

Do you know if there's an app like this for the Blackberry? LOL
I made a couple of wallpapers for the Blackberry Curve. They can be found at the Crackberry website under Miscellaneous Wallpapers.

Of course, stupid me ... I misspelled "Gimlin".
November 9th, 2010 04:57 PM
robday Did any of these vocals get recorded?

I was near this area in late October and heard wood knocks (the first time I've heard them).
I can also agree that the Emigrant Wilderness is very difficult to get into and out of. There are routes out going east, and this is where some of the deer migrate to lower elevations.

Being deep in the Emigrant Wilderness in winter is not a pleasant thought, either...
November 11th, 2010 06:38 PM
Wild Bill I've horse packed in to the Emigrant for many years and always thought it was a great place for BF to live, I've also flown over it many times on my way to Bridgeport,Ca. It's one place I wouldn't want to go down in. You need to see it from the air to really appreciate how remote it is. I've always kept my ears and eyes open looking for the Big Guy but to no avail yet. Maybe some day though, I will never give up lookinjg for him.
November 11th, 2010 07:03 PM
Simplicity Here's another Vocalization Report from nearby..

& another a little further South..

Both of these Reports were in May & both are about 2,000ft lower than Gem Lake so could they have been on their way up maybe ??

Making their way back up maybe ??
November 16th, 2010 11:19 PM
Simplicity Anyone got a view on the fact that there would be lots of old abandoned Mines up in that kind of area ??

November 17th, 2010 05:44 AM
cape6000jkg Mines would not matter for sasquatch, as they have no use for them. Don't know if there are any but topo maps should have locations if there are. If you plan to enter them to do some prospecting, get landowner or management agency permission first. Go with two other people and carry three indpendemt sources of light for each person for safety against accidents-to guard against Murphy's Law.
November 17th, 2010 09:41 AM
cmknight Escape respirators, too. Old mines could have gas pockets, depending on the ore present. For example, coal mines could have pockets of Methane.
November 17th, 2010 10:07 PM
cape6000jkg wrote:
Mines would not matter for sasquatch, as they have no use for them.

I didn't actually mean so for the Sasquatches could do a bit of prospecting Cape, i menat so that they could use them as cover/shelter in the brutal Winters in that area..;)
November 18th, 2010 09:24 AM
cape6000jkg I didn't mean that either, just that they would not have use for them as shelter. In the winter they would follow the food supply fauna to lower elevations. There would be no reason for them to endure the deep snow and lack of food at higher elevations in winter. At other times of the year, I think that they would use more natural rock shelters rather than mine entrances. Also they are safer with no risk of toxic exposure-mercury, lead, cadmium, asbestos, arsenic, uranium, methane, carbon dioxide etc. Even so, their use of rock shelters appears to be more the exception rather than the rule as they seem to prefer vegetation/forest cover instead.
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November 18th, 2010 03:49 PM
robday Something to consider:
Yes, there are plenty of old mines in the area. Most show up on a topo, but many do not. Many are completely undocumented.
I've been in about a dozen old mines in this area. I never go into a mine without researching it first, and have passed on exploring those that are undocumented. Along with the dangers listed above, there are much more immediate dangers such as vertical shafts that can be over 1000' deep.
But some other diggings were abandoned almost immediately when no high grade ore was removed. These diggings are numerous, and most of them make perfect shelters. I can see a possible connection here during the periods of the year when hunting is good. They would serve the same purpose as the numerous small caves that cover the rockier portions of the landscape.
As far as winter shelters? I don't know. If there is any merit to a theory about BF hibernating, then these mines and caves may play a part in it. But if they do not hibernate and they are following the deer herds as a primary food source, then I don't think these shelters are serving much purpose in the deep winter. But I would not dismiss their use at other times of the year, or even during the winter if hibernation is a possibility.
November 18th, 2010 04:08 PM
cape6000jkg Also too many rock shelters in an area would make it unproductive to search as they seem to rarely use them anyway, even where they are less numerous.
November 18th, 2010 07:31 PM
PBYodeler cape,

I believe we've been through this before. You have no more proof that they don't use caves/mines as shelter than anyone else has proof that they do. Everyone else is just suggesting that it's possible and you're telling them that they're wrong. If you don't agree with them fine. Accept it and move on.


Let's get back on topic with this thread.
November 19th, 2010 12:03 AM
Stromson It's kind of interesting to think the vocalizations may have been part of a regrouping effort. Under that theory, the 'Squatches would be travelling together in and out of the highlands during spring/fall, and then (presumably) spreading out once they've arrived at their seasonal home. Travelling in groups is always safer, and would offer a chance for socialization (a crucial aspect of any primate's life). Granted while this is little more than hearsay, it's a fun thought to entertain.

My second thought (and I'll admit, I know precious little about the wildlife that inhabits the Emigrant Wilderness): Is there any chance the vocalizations could be attributed to a known entity? Thanks to Mono's tremendous efforts in recording vocalizations, it's become apparent that certain species of owl sound uncannily similar to something you'd expect out of a primate.

I'm wondering if there are any recordings of this episode, as it would certainly be fascinating to listen to. From the sounds of it, they were pretty close to one of the sources.
November 19th, 2010 11:14 AM
BFRON any recordings of this?