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July 29th, 2009 02:12 PM
Poster Some of you seem to be digging a deeper and deeper whole for yourselves. To start with, you had plenty of sympathy from Notts County fans. Then we had talk of boycotting food and drink stalls, getting the council to 'insist' that you stayed when it is none of their business as we own the stadium and pay ground rent to Haydn Green's estate.

I have even ready that some Notts fan of 56 years standing, therefore presumably over 60, who had the temerity to to voice an opinion in the Nottingham Evening Post deserved a punch. And then I've read endless posts belittling our status and future prospects,

What a nice lot you are. We may have to share our ground with you for another year, but please be aware, we don't like you and don't want you there. Any idea of extending the lease has surely flown out of the window.
July 29th, 2009 02:28 PM
The Landlord Whilst the quality of food in the ground is woeful at best. The vast majority of fans want the rugby out.
July 29th, 2009 02:31 PM
Poster wrote:
Some of you seem to be digging a deeper and deeper whole for yourselves. To start with, you had plenty of sympathy from Notts County fans. Then we had talk of boycotting food and drink stalls, getting the council to 'insist' that you stayed when it is none of their business as we own the stadium and pay ground rent to Haydn Green's estate.

I have even ready that some Notts fan of 56 years standing, therefore presumably over 60, who had the temerity to to voice an opinion in the Nottingham Evening Post deserved a punch. And then I've read endless posts belittling our status and future prospects,

What a nice lot you are. We may have to share our ground with you for another year, but please be aware, we don't like you and don't want you there. Any idea of extending the lease has surely flown out of the window.

Couldnt agree more initially most notts fans had little resentment to the rugby club but you have brought this on yourselfs and will quickly find yourselfs homeless in the near future and it will be no less than you deserve with all you threats of boycotting and badmouthing Notts County.
July 29th, 2009 02:49 PM
forever rugby The voice of reason

For the record, the talk of boycotting food and drink is coming from 2/3 supporters and the majority of rugby fans just want to get over this and get on with watching some rugby.

Yes we could (maybe should) have found a new place to play but when you enter into a multi year contract to play in a first class facility like Meadow Lane why would we when we have a place already sorted.

The majority of rugby fans want to be there about as much as County fans want us out but this is the situation we are faced with so lets just get on and watch some sport.

Yes some rugby fans are badmouthing Notts but some County fans have done the same back but i do believe it is the minority of fans that are doing this and the majority just want to watch their chosen sport.

At the end of the day if you want anybody to blame then blame the previous Notts chairman not the rugby club as he agreed to sign a new 12 month legal contract knowing the club was about to be taken over, all the rugby club did was stick up for their rights, it was Munto who tried to go back on a Legal contract so in theory all this is their fault as they went back on a legal contract.

I am a season ticket holder for the rugby and yet will also be at the first County game on the 8th and am planning on attending more games as well and I know the majority of rugby fans share my view on this awful situation.

Lets just keep our views to ourselves and get on with cheering on our own teams and at this time next year we will be getting ready to cheer the rugby on in a new venue!!!!!!!
July 29th, 2009 02:54 PM
beak I 100% agree Poster. There are some idiots who just come on to stir up trouble. This distracts from the original debate - Whether Munto were within their rights to kick us out, when we had a contract, 3 weeks before the start of the season. I think most sensible people are in agreement that this was unfair and hardly showing good community spirit. Please remember, that all this was brought about by Munto, not Nottingham Rugby Club.

However, i will take issue with the 56 year old magpie who was posting on the evening post website. His comments were not even an opinion, just baseless attacks on the rugby club and i found it bizarre that such childish drivel was coming from someone of such advanced years. While not advocating a punch in the face i would suggest that he grows up and tries to debate in a sensible manner. I am sure you can still read them if you have the time or energy to waste on such pathetic rubbish.
July 29th, 2009 03:20 PM
exiledmagpie Why are you all going on about the egg chasing world cup ??? the venues for that have already been decided.
July 29th, 2009 03:42 PM
exiledmagpie Just a thought , why dont you ground share with Rushcliffe rovers over the water in the shitty ground ??? Sure they need the money more than Notts and they have a lovely pitch with all the **** they put on it every fortnight.

You can only go there for 4 years though when their lease is up and we buy it for a carpark for notts.

Oh and btw to all those talking about munto selling up after two years , if munto do do that , the banks have already agreed to honour their financial commitments for the first five years. With or without munto we get the finance.
July 29th, 2009 03:49 PM
forever rugby Exiled Magpie

we all know there is more chance of us staying at Meadow Lane than going to the City Ground

In all honesty I can see us going to Hucknall, Ilkeston or Eastwood Town.

It is a lower level so smaller stadium which we would fill and they would be more in need of the money than Notts are so would be more likely to welcome us there.

It is such a shame that the club is like a Nomad around Nottm.

For a club which plays in a high league and produces high quality rugby week in week out we do need a permanent home whether that is in our own place or renting in another stadium.

It is just a shame the relationship with Notts has ended this way
July 29th, 2009 04:52 PM
zebb ncfc See you can read, how about expanding you Brief Word of Wisdom!!
July 29th, 2009 06:29 PM
??Confused?? Didn't Notts win awards for their pitch last year?

July 29th, 2009 06:31 PM
??Confused?? And i thought it was our £50k that stopped County from going into administration a few years back.

An administration that with the resulting 10 point deduction would have seen County now out of the poofball league?
July 29th, 2009 06:32 PM
Pedro Man.........its a bad situation and I dont want to see any club in any sport fold.

All I can see from these board comments is people being damn right negative, rude and disrespectful to fellow sports men and sports lovers.

Yes it is County's and yes we do have a history but for god sake show some sort of dignity to one and others sport. I respect any club of any discipline and wish them all the best in pursuit of success.

Looks like we all need to grow up and deal with the hand we have been dealt.

You may not like it but thatís simply life, get on with it and move on.

At the end of the day these things (for the most) are out of our control.

Good luck next season county!

Loyal Notts RFC Fan.
July 30th, 2009 02:20 AM
mark.r I totally agree with Pedro. It seems that a lot of Notts County supporters that have posted are not familiar with what Nottingham Rugby is about. If anyone is genuinely interested in finding out, please send me a PM. They can choose a game, meet me outside the gate and Iíll buy them a ticket (proceeds to NRFC). Once inside, they can buy me a pint (proceeds to NCFC), take their drink to their seat and watch a great game. Unfortunately due to the depth of my pockets, I can only do this once.
July 30th, 2009 04:55 AM
the roar at the back all this bad feeling towards both clubs must stop
this is not what both clubs are about

lets use our energy in supporting our clubs

July 30th, 2009 04:56 AM
skypie I've now read all your replies and taken on all that has been said from what I call proper posters. I still dont understand (and nobodys yet answered me) why your still at Notts County. Yes you helped us out and yes we helped you, but why was'nt the substantial amount of money you received ever put into building a new ground. This was never going to be a permenant agreement and yes you've got another season left but where willyou go from there. they're the answers you need sorting, not belittling the county supporters and ground that will let you play this season.
July 30th, 2009 05:17 AM
forever rugby The simple answer is that the money was spent on Lady Bay and the squad.
I personally agree Lady Bay was not the greatest purchase as it cannot b built on as it is on a flood plain and the facilities would not cope with a crowd of 1000 plus for a match.
When a multi year contract was put in place to play at Meadow lane, in my view the rugby board saw it as a chance for both clubs to work together to hopefully help both clubs develop, when you have a multi year contract in place you dont look for another place to play as it has already been agreed, call it complacency or forward planning I am sure both sets of supporters will come to their own conclusions
The problem of small crowds so small income against being competitive at a high standard of rugby means more money being spent on the squad with the view being that the better quality of sport you produce the more chance there is of people turning up to watch.
Money was also spent on the community and academy side both of which have won awards for the work they have done.
Dont forget we did not sell the land in Beeston for one lump sum we sold it in lots so we get a set amount each year (a great idea in principle before the recession hit and the houses did not sell) maybe if we got the money in one go we could have developed a stadium, hindsight is a fantastic thing.
The problem Nottm rugby have now is that you are looking a sizable amount of money to develop a ground to play in the league they are in, so i fear the only option left to them is to rent at another ground, lets just hope teams like Hucknall or Ilkeston Town will need the money and look for our help otherwise I am not sure where we will be playing next year.
Skypie I am not party to the inner workings of the club all I can do is answer the way I see it, I do believe we have a great product and are a great club and to a certain extent are now paying for the mistakes of a previous board as I believe we have a new set of directors trying to take the club forward (i could be mistaken on that one)
July 30th, 2009 05:32 AM
skypie Forever rugby thank you for your well written reply. I agree mistakes have been made on both sides, which makes it unbelievable to me that some on your board are suggesting boycotting the facilities in the ground ie food drinks etc. From your answer this would surelly only shoot yourselfs in the foot, with you having to relly on the income from said facilities. I myself wish you and your club well for the future but reading between the lines, think that without majour investment you will again have to ground share with the same said problems.
July 30th, 2009 05:36 AM
JeffW Forever rugby Ė donít forget that a large chunk of the money from the sale of Ireland Avenue was used to clear the debts existing at the time Ė which were the reason for the sale in the first place. Whilst money was used to fund the squad, and to buy into Lady Bay Iím not sure it was ever as much as people outside the club may think. The problem is that you canít use the disposal of capital assets to fund your outgoings indefinitely.

Skypie - As one who mentioned a boycott Iíll wind my neck in Ė I was winding up chippy as much as anything.

Letís hope all this can blow over, and Iíd echo the sentiments that County fans should give the egg-chasing a go and come down to the Tigers game. You never know, you might enjoy it.
July 30th, 2009 05:47 AM
will Even if we could rewrite history the big problem is finding the right amount of land for the right price in the right location. Arnold Town FC struggled for long time to find their new home.

I would think that from a commercial view point Nottingham are fairly limited in where they could play, in that 1) Can the local football grounds mentioned cater for the 2,000+ spectators needed 2) would we attract as much sponsorship revenue (particularly match day sponsors) if we played outside the city?

In the short term i would say we certainly need NCFC more than they need us.
July 30th, 2009 05:54 AM
skypie forever rugby jeffw .I genuinely wish you well for the future and see from your replys your board made same mistakes that our board made a few years ago that nearlly finished the club (high wages etc). I know I have asked this before but really with no money no ground no assets, where can you possibly go. With all that has happened over the past few days can you really see anyone wanting to share with you with the difficulties this entails, I fear not. I can only wish you well for the future and hope all this negativity can end with both parties working together.
July 30th, 2009 05:54 AM
forever rugby Skypie, I agree mistakes have been made by both clubs and as far as the suggested boycott of the Meadow lane facilities I really would not worry about it, the suggestion was made by a minority of support and when the league starts in a few weeks time I guarantee all will be forgotten and we will be buying pints and pasties same as last year.
I wish County as much success for this season as i do Nottm and will be at the Bradford match on the 8th to cheer them on so if you want to i will gladly buy you a pint as an act of friendship from one supporter to the other
July 30th, 2009 08:31 AM
total rugby I think rugby fans must go by the chairmans words and draw a line on this sorry episode and pull together to make both rugby and football an event to enjoy at Meadow Lane . we might even convert Sven into a rugby fan .Lets hope both rugby and football go for promotion in the coming 2009-2010 season .

Its a dream ?
July 30th, 2009 09:17 AM
Badger Thanks for all the kind words........pompous et al!

Skypie I did not say Notts rugby got you out of trouble, but assisted along with others.

BadgerKiller, as for pocketing money from the sale of Ireland Ave........I have been asking questions for some time.

As I understood it we were going to develop a ground at Highfields........then we were going to do same at Lady Bay, but found out that wasn't possible because of the floodplain issue (which I commented on in an earlier posting). This with certain board members in place at that time who worked within the property industry.......odd? I thinkso, I would love to see a statement of acoounts.

Truth is I think things have to change rapidly for us to realise Premiership Rugby. Yourselves however may be in a position to realise premiership Football, good.

Still feel it was a shitty stunt to pull in the first place, but by whom, will we ever know??
July 30th, 2009 11:37 AM
bp Lets also not forget that forming the professional NRC, this protected the amateur side of the club with the bay etc. This was the danger side of pulling away and disposing of all our assetts.
At least we know the club is safe, as I think the 1st team will be.
We will be at ML this season, we will find another venue for next year and who knows, we may even get our own ground again in the future. The sad part is it will probably not be in the city.
Lets get a good crowd down to the Tigers game and show we can have a future for rugby in the city
July 30th, 2009 11:49 AM
Badger bp, I wholeheartedly agree with you. New season, new start......and lets move on.

I want to go on record in saying I had my doubts about the previous board at NRFC, thought we had, and still do, a cracking coaching and player base, but the off field individuals were to be desired. With the people in charge now ,I am hopeful for the the saying goes 'There is no future in History'.

Hopefully a good season for the pies and the green & whites.
July 30th, 2009 12:36 PM
jim Garbutt from a rothfan
Pleased to see you have gained a reprieve.

Look forward to a couple o0f goo0d tussles again this season. Was very worried for you at one point

best wishes

July 30th, 2009 01:04 PM
Badger Nice posting jim. There again I'm a tyke myself so a certain amount of bias here. Good luck to you lads this season.
July 30th, 2009 01:33 PM
martin before the NCFC fans get too carried away, can u let me know what Sven has won in his managerial career?
also has NCFC got the fan base to sustain top flight football?
in the old first division they attracted little over 5,000.
i think the NCFC fans have had their expectations raised, gone are the days when a small club can go through all 4 divisions, ask the fans of Wimbledon, they'll be at ML soon
July 30th, 2009 02:29 PM
JeffW Mr Garbutt - Not sure whether all this has firmed up yet but keep an eye on the time/date (hopefully not location) for our game against you which seems to be scheduled for Sunday October 11. It could be that County might have chance to have a televised Sky home game, but on the same date. Donít quote this as gospel but it does seem as if there might be fixture clash on that Sunday. What does your fixture list say?
July 30th, 2009 03:13 PM
forever rugby Martin Sven has won trophies in every major football playing country in Europe except England, he really is a good catch for a club the size of County. It is a bit like Sir Clive Woodward joining Nottm to help out Glenn.

With regard to attracting a fan base for higher leagues, from reading between the lines expect a big push from Notts within the community to try and attract support, dont forget the more money and bigger names they attract the more likely people are to attend, already their season ticket sales have gone through the roof.

This is one of the reasons why some County fans were disapointed with the way the contract situation with us was concerned as it was County that got the bad pr.

Just thought i would try and respond before the County fans started on here again!!!!!
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